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Come on guys can we stop this

I want suggestions for the damn FANS

I know i can get a better Case, better CPU better heatsink, water cool it etc.
That's all not cheap to acomplish i just want to replace the Noise Blockers that are not blocking the damn noise and instead are 2x times as loud as they used to be as new.
That's it

I need something that provides near to the NB performance that will be on their sound level but will hold it for more than 2 years. Thats it.
this
Swiftech Helix -> 55 CFM / 2.29 mmH20 / < 33 db(A) at 1800 rpm and 60k hours life
looks bad compared to the Zalman ...
Zalman ZM-F3-FDB -> 57.54 CFM / 2.65 mmH20 / 23 db(A) at 1500 rpm and 150k hours life on fluid dynamic bearing
and they both look weaker compared to the NB
NB-blacksilentfan xlp -> 75CFM / 2.79 mmH20 / 32db(A) at 2000 rpm and 80k hours life

The only reason i am not getting 3 new NB's is that they did not last more than 2 years ... that's it i'd get 3 new in a heartbeat otherwise.
My CPU FX 8350 is running at 33 C playing overwatch right now so my damn AIRFLOW is just fine tnx.
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Get a pair of NF-P12s. End of story.
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Changing your fans wont see dramatic temp difference. Rear fan dont matter what you use as it is close to the heatsink.
Front will only cool the HDD cage, so keep what you have now. If you want more to get through all that, you want much faster fans.
Go with the cheapest you can get or ones you like.
Life span is estimate, 60k life is about 6.5 years running max speed 24/7. I own Swiftech fans, they have be doing great in another build.

You say FX8350 is 33c while playing Overwatch, which is not likely.

When you add the RX480 your temps will change, as this will be the biggest heat source. From your PCI slots to HDD cage, that space seems small, just be sure it is long enough to fit.
    
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Get a pair of NF-P12s. End of story.


according to http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/noctua_nf-p12_static_pressure_performance/1
"the NF-P12 provides no less than 1.68 mm H2O at 1300 rpm"
That's the same as the specs suggest compared to the zalmans 2.65 that are lower than the NB 2.79 ... i rly don't see a reason to get this fan smile.gif i might aswell go back to the old fractals R3
and that on double the price of the zalman ... ok i will pass

@ Sp33d Junki3 i said it several times i don't want to increase the airflow and such just to repalce theese NB's with not loud ones as they are loud not because they are loud but because they have degraded. frown.gif they are running on something like 50 dbA as oposed to 32 and that bothers the GF's sleep .... that's what is important here
I can pick the same but as i said they didn't last more than 2y and changed their sound
So i'd go with the same but they will most probably rise volume again later on
I stand corrected thou after 1h of playing the CPU is at 34.8 atm
So i just need similar performance to the NB's if you are saying that the back chasis fan is not rly important then i can get only 2 replacements for front and for the heatsink or should i put 2 on the heatsink ?
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according to http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/noctua_nf-p12_static_pressure_performance/1
"the NF-P12 provides no less than 1.68 mm H2O at 1300 rpm"
That's the same as the specs suggest compared to the zalmans 2.65 that are lower than the NB 2.79 ... i rly don't see a reason to get this fan smile.gif i might aswell go back to the old fractals R3
and that on double the price of the zalman ... ok i will pass

Did you read the first post? I don't deal with garbage meaningless numbers like H2O and CFM. It's all marketing. In my tests P12 is at top of the noise to temperature leaderboard.
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Hi folks.

Any thoughts on the Silverstone AP182 fans in terms of noise/performance? Actually, what would ye think of the Silverstone FT02 for air cooling in general? Would be used for a Haswell-E & Pascal air-cooled build.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!
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I don't want to increase the airflow further the NB's are doing perfect The problem is they are 2-3 years old and i can hear the sound of the bearings so they have incrased their noice by a lot from being new.
That's why i replaced them with those fractal ones i actually wanted 3 R2 with hydraulic bearing but the 2 i got after the first one were R3 and the retailer didn't had so i just took them as i thought they will be better than my noisy ones. Ignorant decision now that i look at it.

http://imgur.com/wX5KtPr is my image uploaded for those that fear downloading stuff smile.gif

In 1 line with the back case fan the 2 fans on the heatsink is 1 SDD drive that is pllaced inside the floppy drive bay - since there is no other place smile.gif and the bay front is open and has a filter for air intake so if the Fan that is in front of the HDD bay area is not providing enough air there is a lot of space around the FDD/CD area that can provide more air intake - the only problem is i can't mount a fan there to get even more air inside smile.gif

So i used to run 1 front 1 back case fans and 1 on the heatsink as adding a 2-nd isn't improving too much (but that was when back in the days i had 3x NB's on those 3 places now because of how much dismantling and stuff i have to do to remove the 1 front one i just left it there and strapped 2 on the heatsink while i decide what new to buy

My question is not how to increase the cooling as currently it seems fine. The question is what to replace the Noise Blockers with. I can purchase new Noise blockers for 11eu each but they are ball-bearing and those 3 have been used between 12-15k hours and already have changed their sound by a lot

So the Swiftech Helix is rated at 55 CFM / 2.29 mmH20 / < 33 db(A) at 1800 rpm and 60k hours life while the Zalman ZM-F3-FDB that i am considering atm are rated to 57.54 CFM / 2.65 mmH20 / 23 db(A) at 1500 rpm and 150k hours life on fluid dynamic bearing
and according to this bencher http://www.legitreviews.com/zalman-zm-f3-fdb-zm-sf3-120mm-cooling-fan-review_1485/5 the numbers are about as accurate as expected.

Cables? i don't rly think those cables reduce airflow rly Sata cables that ar on the bottom side panel and the power cables that are basicly on the wall of the top side panel.
The reduced Air Flow is due to hard drives mostly. but if there is no airflow through them they will heat up biggrin.gif

If you are interested in suggesting a new case for a good price i could start collecting for a replacement of this old / spire branded tower
it should be big smile.gif with propper room for 6-7 Hard drives and an SSD smile.gif


If i understand what Doyll is saying is that providing more air intake than the system can exhaust will result in air swirling around and overall bad airflow so i should put the same fan in the front and in the back ? as well as on the heatsink or even have a lower intake on the front to reduce air swirling around so that the ones at the back to take the excess they need from other sources. ?
Or maybe put the same 3 fans as the front one is already limited a lot by the Hard drives and that alone will lower it CFM by enough to reduce those swirls.

I have also been saving to replace my GPU and plan to get a AIB RX 480 (if i have enough money left lol) with say twin big fans instead of the refference blower and that might be messing air flow inside ?



You know, they don't fall in your budget price range, but if you want quiet fans with cooling on-par or better than the NB's with a very long lifespan time then look at the new Corsair ML120 fans! I just ordered three of them, waiting for them to come. They are GREAT fans on paper; they are PWM with 400rpm to 2400rpm range of speed, has better static pressure and CFM than the SP120's ever did (due to having a square frame instead of the odd circular design that didn't "seal" to a radiator or heatsink properly which lowered the static pressure and airflow) and they use a new "Magnetic Levitation Bearing" that literaly makes the motor assembly FLOAT reducing noise by quite a bit and these magnetic bearings have no friction which allows them to have a MASSIVE mtbf lifespan of 200,000 hours!! So the $20 per fan cost is high yes, but they will last you a frickin lifetime so it's kinda worth it lol. And they're looking to be some of the best fans available if the specs are to be believed. I'll put up some info when i get mine.


They are 18.99 euro on amazon.co.uk currently for the LED pro versions

(white led)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CO-9050041-WW-Pressure-Magnetic-Levitation/dp/B01G5I6MUW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1467582990&sr=8-2&keywords=corsair+ml120

(blue led)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CO-9050043-WW-Pressure-Magnetic-Levitation/dp/B01G5I6MYI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1467582990&sr=8-4&keywords=corsair+ml120

(red led)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CO-9050042-WW-Pressure-Magnetic-Levitation/dp/B01G5I6MT8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1467582990&sr=8-3&keywords=corsair+ml120



Or the non-led pro version can be had on amazon.co.uk for 17.99 euro with free shipping

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B01G5I6O4Q/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
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Did you read the first post? I don't deal with garbage meaningless numbers like H2O and CFM. It's all marketing. In my tests P12 is at top of the noise to temperature leaderboard.

I understand that i read the first post and tried to find a few of the fans that i thought seem nice on the chart but they are all a bit expencive
You haven't tested the one i am interested in and on paper it seems rather fine maybe you want to take a look at this tester.
http://www.legitreviews.com/zalman-zm-f3-fdb-zm-sf3-120mm-cooling-fan-review_1485

@ DarkIdeals thanks for the idea smile.gif
I think you mean this
SP120 PWM High Performance Edition
62.74 CFM 3.1mm/H2O 35dbA at 2350 RPM
the specs are rather great smile.gif i will think about it but will most likely not be able to get 3 of those
as oposed to the zalman ZM-F3-FDB whose specs look like
57.54 CFM / 2.65 mmH20 / 23 db(A) at 1500 rpm
those NightBlockers are doing a great job but the sound frown.gif oh my i will add their specs again just so they don't feel left behind
75CFM / 2.79 mmH20 / 32db(A) at 2000 rpm
P.S. I found a retailer that can get me the SP120 PWN with delivery it will cost me exactly as much as 3 of the Zalmans biggrin.gif

@Cyclops you did a great job with that list tongue.gif sadly not everything is available everywhere frown.gif
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Here's some spec info on the ML120's. Even at max 2,400rpm speed they only hit 37db, and
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I understand that i read the first post and tried to find a few of the fans that i thought seem nice on the chart but they are all a bit expencive
You haven't tested the one i am interested in and on paper it seems rather fine maybe you want to take a look at this tester.
http://www.legitreviews.com/zalman-zm-f3-fdb-zm-sf3-120mm-cooling-fan-review_1485

@ DarkIdeals thanks for the idea smile.gif
I think you mean this


Yup, no problem. Just trying to help. Unfortunately i don't see any specs for the ML120's at ~1500rpm, only at their max over 2000rpm speed. But they do have a fairly nice 4.2mmH20 static pressure and 75CFM rating at that speed with only 37db max at max speed as well. So at 1500 range it should still provide very nice static pressure with good CFM at a real low decibal level for noise.
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Here's some spec info on the ML120's. Even at max 2,400rpm speed they only hit 37db, and
Yup, no problem. Just trying to help. Unfortunately i don't see any specs for the ML120's at ~1500rpm, only at their max over 2000rpm speed. But they do have a fairly nice 4.2mmH20 static pressure and 75CFM rating at that speed with only 37db max at max speed as well. So at 1400 it should provide very nice static pressure with good CFM at a real low decibal level for noise.

Oh so those you are talking about are different ML120 not SP120 can't find them on corsair site biggrin.gif 4.2 mm-H2O on 37 dbA sounds awasome smile.gif i found a retailer that could get them to me 25 eu each. + delivery That is a bit out of my budget frown.gif

What is your opinion on the Zal* smile.gif u've been loading my CPU to 100% for half an hour now and the NB's considering the "poor" air flow in the box are keeping it at below 44C considering the silent Fractal R2/3 models were letting it pass the 60C in just under 5 min of running at full load it means the NB's are doing an OK job
I will probably end up getting 3 Z`s on tuesday if my local retailer has them and will test the system to check the difference. If it's too big i will wait a little and maybe get 1 of those ML120's for the Heatsink
That should be best case scenario and i will move the Z from the heatsink possible afix it around the 5.25`` bay so it can get more air from there and move 1or2 HDD's there so i can lower the count on the lower HDD bay.

Those are my ideas so far and tnx for the input that ML120 seems like rly good value.
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