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post #11 of 24
6/26/12 at 5:57am
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Yeah I get that, but why would you want to upgrade the kernel on your Android handset to a generic kernel when some hardware doesn't have open source drivers? You'd ultimately end up with downgrading your phones functionality for the sake of open sourcing the kernel - which seems a pretty bad trade off to me.
Or have I misunderstood which device you're compiling the kernel for?

Hmm... I believe I didn't explain clearly.

The source from the manufacturer is also opensourced (they have to release the source since the Linux Kernel is GPL'ed) but the only folks who contribute are the employees of this manufacturers, and they have time and business constraints ; whereas in the mainline where everyone contribute to it, and the managers are employed by the Linux Foundation which is a non-lucrative association so they don't have those constraints.

Basically what Im saying is that it has interest to recompile for Android since you can fix/improve the code, tune the kernel for smaller devices, add overclock etc etc. (so yea its not just a matter of recompiling).
The kernel in your PC has already clean code with everything fine-tuned so it makes no sense to recompile it, even considering that it has been built to have the best compatibility ~ the Linux Kernel is very good for modularity.
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post #12 of 24
6/26/12 at 6:21am
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Hmm... I believe I didn't explain clearly.
The source from the manufacturer is also opensourced (they have to release the source since the Linux Kernel is GPL'ed)
Legally you're right, but from what I've heard (and bare in mind I've heard this 3rd hand so there might be a case of Chinese whispers at play) the manufacturers aren't always keen to release the source.
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but the only folks who contribute are the employees of this manufacturers, and they have time and business constraints ; whereas in the mainline where everyone contribute to it, and the managers are employed by the Linux Foundation which is a non-lucrative association so they don't have those constraints.
Basically what Im saying is that it has interest to recompile for Android since you can fix/improve the code, tune the kernel for smaller devices, add overclock etc etc. (so yea its not just a matter of recompiling).
The kernel in your PC has already clean code with everything fine-tuned so it makes no sense to recompile it, even considering that it has been built to have the best compatibility ~ the Linux Kernel is very good for modularity.

I see. Thanks for the clarification

Is this something you've done often?
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post #13 of 24
6/26/12 at 6:30am
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(they have to release the source since the Linux Kernel is GPL'ed)

Technically yes, but in practice not necessarily. Violations of the GPL are "fine" if the original owner allows them, same with any license. The kernel already contains non-free blobs.
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post #14 of 24
6/26/12 at 6:41am
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Well it seems that the general consensus is to not bother. But that just wouldn't be any fun!

I'll probably just take a look around, delete extraneous notes (majority of the changelog, comments, etc), and maybe tweak minor things. In the end, I'm probably doing it just to say I did it, but I agree with all of you. Today it seems that the kernel is very much streamlined.

I might need to change window managers, as well. Move away from KDE to something smaller. Any suggestions? I believe that is something you can do without having to re-install, correct?

If that doesn't cure the itch to change, I might jump over to something more difficult, such as arch on my personal laptop instead of my work laptop.

Edit: I am interested in the phone kernels, however, cm7 is treating me well and I don't want to screw that up as of right now.
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post #15 of 24
6/26/12 at 6:47am
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I might need to change window managers, as well. Move away from KDE to something smaller. Any suggestions? I believe that is something you can do without having to re-install, correct?

OpenBox. That's what ArchLinux features.
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Technically yes, but in practice not necessarily. Violations of the GPL are "fine" if the original owner allows them, same with any license. The kernel already contains non-free blobs.

Yes, but most of the time the manufacturer doesn't want to get sued for that, really. http://gpl-violations.org/
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Is this something you've done often?

https://github.com/adridu59
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post #16 of 24
6/26/12 at 7:42am
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OpenBox. That's what ArchLinux features.
Err, what? Arch Linux uses whatever you want it to!

You should check out Xfce, it's a bit more like the standard paradigm. Openbox is lighter, but a bit more of a learning curve.

Btw, there's a difference between recompiling your kernel, and hacking it. You don't need to hack it to recompile it. In fact, I've never hacked it (I don't know C), but I've recompiled many times (including downloading the latest vanilla source - the only way to do it really)
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post #17 of 24
6/26/12 at 7:55am
Createing a custom kernel is pretty easy. You only need to find the right drivers. Then you need a bit try and error for the cpu and disk scheduler. To find the right driver I use lspci command with verbose switch. There I can find all my pc components. The biggest advantage is that you can use any kernel version you want and when you have create a makefile the compile time reduce very fast. You can also build a kernel without this initram which I find useless. I can recommend to do so because it's very simple and the Linux kernel is just <10 MB. There is also a project "Linuxdna" to compile the kernel with the Intel C Compiler. I've contributed a script or two. The kernel works and it was a bit faster then with gcc. I can also recommend the BFS scheduler because it's very fast and very stable. If you are lucky you can even increase the stability of your Linux.
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post #18 of 24
6/26/12 at 8:18am
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https://github.com/adridu59
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Err, what? Arch Linux uses whatever you want it to!
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You should check out Xfce, it's a bit more like the standard paradigm. Openbox is lighter, but a bit more of a learning curve.
+1 for XFCE. But there's also LXDE, which uses Openbox as it's WM but with a nice traditional desktop environment. So it's super lean while still being fully functional.

Personally though, I only use KDE4 and Awesome (which I know are gulfs apart laugher.gif) or just a headless console prompt.
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6/26/12 at 11:59am
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thank you smile.gif
trusay
+1 for XFCE. But there's also LXDE, which uses Openbox as it's WM but with a nice traditional desktop environment. So it's super lean while still being fully functional.
Personally though, I only use KDE4 and Awesome (which I know are gulfs apart laugher.gif) or just a headless console prompt.

KDE4's trimmed up nicely it seems. I was actually quite impressed with how smooth it runs on a decent system now a days. It's what I would tell people to use as well, though I'll have to say gnome-shell with tweaks is pretty nice. I have it decked out with a custom task bar (tint2) and it works very close to the old one with a minimal footprint.

Either way, I'll agree with the other two on XFCE, it's the best small DE I've seen. Mainly because it's extremely polished compared to the others.
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6/26/12 at 6:41pm
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soo I think I rebuilt my kernel?? Hopefully with a lot of extra crap removed. I roughly followed this guide:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel

Unfortunately, I am not sure how to check if my kernel was actually implemented.

Also, I made the switch to XFCE and I have to admit, I like it so far. Work still needs to be done to make it visually fit my wants, but i like the configuration of panels and simplistic menus. I need to find a way to make the panels transparent and maybe find some widgets.
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