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Poll Results: Which motherboard do you think is best suited for the rig below:

 
  • 44% (4)
    Asrock X79 Extreme4
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    Gigabyte GA-X79-UD3
  • 55% (5)
    Asus P9X79
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post #1 of 21
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Hello overclockers around the world!

I am doing a lot of research for a new high end machine for myself. I've found all the parts but before I order anything I'd love to hear what you guys think about the setup, I've seen how helpful you can be in the past and I really hope you can give me some amazing input on this rig.

First some specs on my current machine. ( Just so that you can feel sorry for me. )

CPU: Intel Q6600 @ Stock
Motherboard: Asus P5N-D
Ram: 4 GB OCZ something something
GPU: 8800 GTS 512
PSU: Corsair TX 750 watt, I think.


As you can see my current rig has had quite some years on its back and I feel like it's time to acquire a new machine.

The parts I've found so far are: ************** UPDATED **************

Motherboard: Asrock X79 Extreme4 / Gigabyte GA-X79-UD3 / Asus P9X79
CPU: Intel core i7-3930K
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100
Ram: G-skill Ripjaws Z series 16GB 1600Mhz CL9
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 670 OC Windforce
SSD: Samsung 830 128GB
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1 TB
Power Supply: Corsair HX850
Case: Corsair Obsidian 650D

First of all I'd like to point out that I will NOT be ordering the parts through Newegg since I'm from Europe, I simply used Newegg to show the parts if there was any doubt.

The machine will be used for live stream and recording of games, and rendering videos. I tried to aim for a very powerful computer that can take on every game on the market at a blazing speed, and be somewhat future proof ( 4-5 years )

My main concerns are really the motherboard and the GPU options. I intend on doing a pretty decent OC on the CPU ( aiming for 4.5 ghz ) and pushing the GPU's a little further than their stock OC. Even though the Gigabyte card is cooler and more quiet, there's still something that pulls me towards the EVGA ( might be the lovely black PCB ) Is there any reason to go for the Gigabyte one beside the cooling and noise? Overclocking the GPU's are not a necessity but since the Kepler architecture pretty much is idiot proof when it comes to overclocking, I'd love to try it out and push the rig as far as I can.

However! Even though my main concerns lies in the MB and GPU I'd like to hear an overall verdict of the setup, and advice or inputs on any of the parts will be highly appreciated.

- Kanox
Edited by Kanox - 6/28/12 at 4:09pm
post #2 of 21
First of all, WELCOME TO OCN!!!

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I have some suggestions for you...


CPU: This is the biggest problem i have with your build.

With CPU's we have this thing called "diminishing returns", where once you get above $300+ ....alot of money gets you very little extra power.

A i7-3930K is 7% faster than a I7 2600K,...but costs 50% more. Is double the money really worth a 7% speed increase?

A I7-3930K is 12% faster than a I5-2500K (keep in mind, hyper-threaded cores are only like 40% as fast as a actual core), but costs 60% more. Is 60% more money worth a 12% speed increase?

I would consider a I5-2500K, a I7-2600K, or a i5-3570K as much more "cost effective" processors.

MOBO: If i was dropping $300 on a motherboard, I would definitely get that ASRock Fatal1ty X79 Professional. It has more PCI-E 3.0 slots, more SATA ports, more USB 3.0 ports, and it has E-Sata ports! It has better power delivery to the processor. It's just a all-around better motherboard.

CPU Cooler Personally, I have been pretty unimpressed with the H100, but it isn't a bad choice. I have always been biased toward big air coolers, since you get the same performance.

RAM: No problems here.

GPU: That is a excellent GPU. I have no complaints about the GTX 670, but haven't been impressed by the EVGAs and Gigabytes. I haven't found a article specially for the GTX 670, but in the past years the Asus DCII GPUs ran circles around the EVGA FTW edition and Gigabyte GPUs. Please, give the Asus DCII GPU's a good look. They are a billion times better than the reference design.

Also, some practical advise: The GTX 670 is brand new, so prices are still high. I would buy x1 GTX 670 right now,....the wait 6 months to 1 year to purchase the second one to give your system a SLi boost. Watch, that card will lose about 40% of it's value in less than a year because of the depreciation rates of GPU's.

SSD: Umm..please no. The OCZ Agility series is the "low to medium performance" SSD's. The OCZ Vertex series is the high performance SSD's. Currently the Samsung 830 120 GB is the best and fastest SSD on the market, so i would look at that instead! (or alteast a OCZ Vertex 3 or 4).

Here is a good review on best SSD's --> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-review,3194.html

HDD: Judging by your taste in motherboards and CPU's I assume that money is not a issue. Then, can i ask you to consider a RAID 0 or RAID 5 array? If you have a SSD, to enable TRIM you have to disable your motherboards ability to do RAID. Which leaves you with software RAID, or using a PCI card for RAID. It's just something to consider.

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PSU: No problems.

Case: No problems....but not what I would pick....especially if your gung-ho about the H100. I have a HAF-X and love it. It holds a H100 effortlessly without any modifications. Just something to think about.

4.5 - 5.0 GHz on any "good" sandybridge or ivrybridge CPU is pretty much guaranteed if you know what your doing, so no worries there.
Edited by crimsontears809739 - 6/26/12 at 8:04pm
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For the CPU according to http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html the 3930k is ~49.09% faster than the 2600k and is 101% faster than the 2500k assuming all cores and threads will be used. Which on his stated use cases it will.

I'm not a fan of MSI either, but from what I'm reading, they seem to be trialing Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock.

RAID is a good idea if you need speed. But with your budget, you could just get another SSD with a bigger capacity for video processing and keep moving the completed ones to external HDDs.
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Thank you for the welcome! And thank you for the replies! thumb.gif

I don't know if you can tell, but I'm fairly new to these really high end builds. The primary reason I chose the X79 instead of a Z68, is the video rendering and processing. I know even i7s are not getting fully utilized in games. Adobe Premiere as far as I know will utilize the entire 3930k when processing video. The X79 is not a must, but isn't that platform going to be more "future proof" compared to a Z68 running 2600k?

I'm having a hard time decide whether it should be a 3930k or a 2600k. They're both amazing chips, I'm just unsure whether or not it's worth pumping so much more into the X79.

I will wait with the motherboard until I've fully decided upon the CPU. However, I do have a question regarding RAM speeds... Is it even worth going for 2133 mhz compared to 1600? 1866? The X79 supports the higher frequencies, but not all P68 supports above 1600. Does that even have something to say? Say I go for a ASRock Z68 Professional Gen3, while it only officially supports up to 1600, will it do 1866 and 2133 no problem?

Crimsontears, I read your comment on the graphics card, and I've pretty much decided to just go for 1 GTX 670 and then upgrade if needed, who knows, maybe I'm underestimating the power of that card. rolleyes.gif Naah, I know just 1 will just about smash everything on the marked, once again like with the 3930k case, it's the whole "future proof" stamp I'm going for.

SSD! Thank you very much for pointing that out, I've never looked much into the whole SSD world, I just saw the R/W speed of the Agility 3 and, well on paper it's better than say the samsung 830, but after looking through reviews and of course having your word for it, I'll revisit the SSD market for... Probably a Samsung 830 128 GB.

On the RAID side of things. I chose an SSD as my boot drive, and maybe have my primary game/games on it. I've never experienced with RAID, as I don't see it as something I personally would benefit from.

I primarily chose the 650D for the aesthetics, and truth be told, it's one of the best looking cases out there. ( Personal opinion of course. ) It does come with a pretty hefty price tag attached to it, which could become one of the reasons why I might downgrade it to something else.

Last but not least I want to thank you both once again for the comments.

- Kanox
post #5 of 21
For future proofing, go for the 3930k if it's in your budget.

When I built my LGA775 build, the argument was e8400 dual vs q6600 quad. I went quad (as you did) and never regretted it for a moment. While there's no guarantee that hex core will be "the next landmark," its hard not to buy one when you want a rig to last 5 years. LGA2011 is also the only current socket that has yet another chip to be made for it (Ivy Bridge-E)--LGA1155 is end of life. Another thing to think about.

670 brand decisions are hard to chime in on, especially in a world where kepler cards are voltage locked and identical in performance. Go EVGA for warranty and resale value, or Asus for quieter/cooler operation.

Ssd--grab a Samsung or a Crucial M4. I cannot, in good faith, advise anyone to buy an OCZ product; especially given their track record. Hell, find a good deal on just about any brand but OCZ and you'll be fine. I got my 240GB Sandisk for $179 from an Amazon deal of the day. Just make sure to firmware update before using if you end up with a Sandforce drive.

Ram speeds are 99% smoke and mirrors, there is little to no real world performance gain with the expensive kits. Get some cas9 1600 or 1866 from a brand you trust and call it a day. Don't break the bank here, it's simply not worth it.

H100 or a high end air cooler--a Noctua or a Thermalright silver arrow--really up to you. I tend to lean towards the H100 with some aftermarket fans.

Motherboards I tend to go Asus. Asrock is a great choice too, not sure that I'd buy an MSI board. No logic behind it, I just wouldn't.
     
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Hi Itskerby!

I have looked a bit on alternative parts for a X79 setup and here's my new ideas:

Motherboard: Asrock X79 Extreme4 OR Gigabyte GA-X79-UD3 OR Asus P9X79
Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws Z 16 GB 1600Mhz CL9
SSD: Samsung 830 128GB

So now I'm swinging between these 3 motherboard. Although, they all seem to have something I dislike one way or another

Asus P9X79: The color scheme... I don't like it at all, on the bright side, like the Asrock extreme4 it has that extra room between the cards when running SLI. I like that a lot. Plus it has 4 USB 3.0 on the back, whereas the 2 other cards only has 2.

Asrock Extreme4: Really amazing looking card, has the extra room for SLI, thumbs up for that... BUT from what I can see it's the card that comes with the least amount of... Goodies, features if you like.

Gigabyte UD3: Again good looking card, not much to say here... Nothing that really stands out other than 4 way SLI, which I will never get around to use. One question though! Can I use 1 and 3 PCI slot in SLI, or does it have to be 1 and 2? Because if I can use the 1st and 3rd slot that would give the UD3 a slight edge.

Could someone give me a short pro and con of the boards? Maybe which features you personally like a lot?

Overclocking capabilities on the 3 boards, which one has an edge? Keep in mind I won't be going all out on an overclock, I do however aim for around 4.5 mark on the 3930k. I believe the stability of the 3 cards is about equal?


Is there other boards I should be looking at ? The big brothers to the already mentioned boards? i.e. Extreme7, UD5 or P9X79 Pro maybe? Or is that unnecessary? As I've already set the price high for this machine, I don't really want to put more into the rig than necessary.

- Kanox
post #7 of 21
For the UD3 you can use any slots you like at any time, but it's slots 1 and 3 which are the x16 slots. Personally I love my UD3, it is a fantastic board; if it weren't for my cooling (or lack thereof) I have no doubt it would clock my chip to at least 4.5GHz.

As for the 3930K, it is a beast of a chip and is absolutely worth the extra money. In multithreaded applications it will beat every other CPU out there right into the dust!
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Right now, we have a market that is flooded with 1,000 good motherboards and all of them are good choices. Every person on OCN will recommend to you something different. I'm personally biased towards the ASrocks since i have had the best experience with them,.....but the Asus seems solid as well. If you looking at Asus, consider the ASUS Sabertooth boards as well. I hear they come highly recommended (lol, i am probably not helping you narrow down the list).
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For the X79 or Z68/Z77 decision, you will have to decide if the extra cores are worth it for your needs. Future proof is a good thing but know that just like the q6600 now, it lost it's edge not on number of cores or clock speed but on cpu clock efficiency brought about by the new architecture. Since you have the budget and plan to keep the rig for awhile, the 3930k gets my vote.

For the Mobo, isn't the Asrock the cheapest of the 3? If you don't need the features that are missing, does it matter? If you want some of the features, check the next step up, Extreme 6 I think. Note that UD5 is E-ATX.
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For the X79 or Z68/Z77 decision, you will have to decide if the extra cores are worth it for your needs. Future proof is a good thing but know that just like the q6600 now, it lost it's edge not on number of cores or clock speed but on cpu clock efficiency brought about by the new architecture. Since you have the budget and plan to keep the rig for awhile, the 3930k gets my vote.

My Q6600 has served me VERY well throughout the years. Yes it's rather slow these days, but it still runs everything with only minor problems. I just hope that a 3930k can do the same for 4-5 years.
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For the Mobo, isn't the Asrock the cheapest of the 3? If you don't need the features that are missing, does it matter? If you want some of the features, check the next step up, Extreme 6 I think. Note that UD5 is E-ATX.

Yes the Asrock is the cheapest of the 3, I'm not looking for all the fancy features of OC and whatnot, as I will not be using them. I do however want a very stable board. I'm just curious which one of the 3 handles overclocking better. biggrin.gif
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