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If i were to play a game it would be Diablo 3 probably and nothing else, I would have a main desktop that would do all that. The reason I went up to 2gb card is because of that, is it still over kill?

If i cut it down to the 1gb card..say:
EVGA 01G-P3-1430-LR GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card $53.99
That brings down from $298.96 to $272.96. And technically there are ones cheaper with mail in rebates but for the sake of intial costs I hate putting those in there.

All I'm saying is 2GB is wasted on that weak card. It's like putting 16GB of RAM on a netbook. For the same price, you're better off going with a faster card with less RAM such as the HD 6670. The case you plan on using has enough space for it, anyway.

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The price at which ssd's are coming too, I might run a 60 or 64 gb as my OS drive. I realize reading through here most of you think its a waste of money but I like the snappyness of them.

Not at all. In fact, nearly all my HTPC's now have SSD's (120GB+). The SSD really helps the HTPC feel more like an appliance and not like a computer (no stutter when switching menus; backdrops, movie posters and thumbnails load practically instantaneously; quicker scrubbing when watching live TV). It's also great for fanless builds and client HTPCs.

The AMD A6-3650 Llano is the more well rounded solution of the two if you only go by integrated graphics. Intel iGPU also doesn't play nice with XBMC so if you use that, it will fall back on software decoding (G530/G620 is more than enough for Blu-ray 1080p). Unfortunately, Llano doesn't have much of an upgrade path. If you go with Llano, you're pretty much stuck with that level of CPU performance (around Core i3 level at best and worse than low-end Sandy in single and dual-threaded applications) unless you replace both MB and CPU. With LGA-1155, you have the option to go up to Ivy Bridge.

renethx from the AVS Forum has a pretty good analysis here:

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Windows' killer app for an HTPC is Netflix. I know of no way to get Netflix streaming to work in a Linux environment (other than running an XP virtual machine which is what I do). Both of the CPUs mentioned will struggle to run 1080p content on a VM however, so Windows is a logical choice. Wow, never thought I'd say that. In addition, the GPU drivers for AMD's APUs are still not fully mature (I've seen artifacting and stuttering on a friend's dual core FM1 HTPC under Mint and Ubuntu). Here again, Windows is a nice choice as it supports the APUs swimmingly. I don't expect the AMD graphics issues to be around for much longer though as, unlike NVidia, AMD is obviously committed to Linux driver support. See Linus Torvalds' latest rant for more details.
Conclusion: Go AMD + Windows and you'll have a very capable HTPC with mature drivers and minimal power consumption without breaking the bank.

Is it Netflix that uses MS Silverlight? I recall that Silverlight is very hard on CPU (does not use GPU acceleration).

Both CPU will handle fine on 1080p, though I'm not sure if APU can handle Netflix.
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Yes Netflix uses Silverlight.
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So would jumping up to the 3650 be the safest bet?
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Is it Netflix that uses MS Silverlight? I recall that Silverlight is very hard on CPU (does not use GPU acceleration).
Both CPU will handle fine on 1080p, though I'm not sure if APU can handle Netflix.

Llano APU (A4/A6/A8) can handle Netflix 720p HD (1080p is only available on standalone devices such as PS3, etc). Zacate APU is too weak for Netflix 720p but can handle standard definition Netflix. Netflix 720p isn't really super hard on resources. It just so happens people are trying to use Atom and similar netbook/nettop-grade CPU's for it and those just happen to be too weak. My ULV notebook (Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz) plays back Netflix 720p just fine as did my Celeron E3300 2.5GHz build. Both the A4-3300 or Celeron G530 should have no problems dealing with Netflix so the A6-3650 and Pentium G620 should definitely be more than enough.

Here's a summary:

Sandy Bridge (Celeron G530/Pentium G620):
+ better single- and dual-threaded performance
+ uprade path (up to Ivy Bridge)
+ more M-ITX motherboard options
- no DXVA2 support in XBMC (will fall back on software decoding for video playback)
- weak integrated GPU

Llano (A6-3650)
+ better multi-threaded performance
+ strong integrated GPU (between HD 6450 and HD 6570 level)
+ DXVA2 support in XBMC
+ 3D support
- practically no upgrade path (Trinity will be on a new socket)
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Yes, Netflix/silverlight will run fine on very modest hardware. I was only trying to make a point about running Netflix within a VM on modest hardware being an issue. Running straight windows you're good to go. With Silverlight going the way of the dodo and the Titanic it sure would be nice to see Netflix go to Flash like everyone else. Flash has its problems to be sure, but at least GPU acceleration is baked right in.
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This is actually a decent tie. Rui pretty much summed it up (rep btw), now its up to the OP to decide on those factors. Or just flip a coin. tongue.gif
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Sandy Bridge (Celeron G530/Pentium G620):
+ better single- and dual-threaded performance
+ uprade path (up to Ivy Bridge)
+ more M-ITX motherboard options
- no DXVA2 support in XBMC (will fall back on software decoding for video playback)
- weak integrated GPU
Llano (A6-3650)
+ better multi-threaded performance
+ strong integrated GPU (between HD 6450 and HD 6570 level)
+ DXVA2 support in XBMC
+ 3D support
- practically no upgrade path (Trinity will be on a new socket)


I think being that the price is so close and they'll both consume a small amount of power, I'm going to go Intel based on the upgrade path. I kept thinking how that doesn't matter because we are at 720/1080p at the moment but you never know what the hell will come out next so it'll be nice to know there are options.

Thanks guys, hopefully eventually i'll have a build log somewhere!
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