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Hey guys, I'm looking to upgrade the motherboard in my Sig Rig because The bios isn't completely unlocked, I only have an offset mode for vcore, which doesnt even seem to be working right.

My rig is strictly Asus and Corsair, so I'm only interested in Asus Boards. (please don't hate on my thread)

I'm currently looking at a few:

ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3$200

ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 $230

ASUS MAXIMUS IV EXTREME (REV 3.0) $290

ASUS MAXIMUS IV EXTREME $340



I'm open to any other Asus board,

I'm mostly interested in Overclock potential. I plan to clock my 2600k at 5.0-5.2GHz so stability is a must.

Thanks for you're input OCN

-Storm
Edited by StormProtocol - 6/26/12 at 3:51pm
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Before I try to recommend a new board, I need to ask: in regards to the Offset, what kind of vcore behavior are you getting right now?
    
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Asus P8Z77-V Pro or Z77 Sabertooth will do the job.

Also to consider:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1273330/asus-service-is-horrendous
http://www.overclock.net/t/1248986/asus-rma-unacceptable-and-appalling-update

And numerous other cases with the same exact service problems.
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Before I try to recommend a new board, I need to ask: in regards to the Offset, what kind of vcore behavior are you getting right now?

it's really weird ( at least to me)

These are hypothetical number because i cant check the bios right now, but the vcore will be set to like 1.2 or something at default.

I will enable offset mode, and set it to +0.1 and when I enter windows, it has a completely different number, like 1.4. and if i set it to +0.05, it will still show as 1.4 in windows (core temp and cpuz)

it's gotten to the point that I just want to be able to enter a number and have it be the same when i load in to windows..

If this is normal I'm gonna make myself look dumb here, but oh well.. it's annoying
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I hope you know that VID + offset = final voltage? Also use LLC at almost maximum (very high on asus boards I believe). you can check your vid with core temp.
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I hope you know that VID + offset = final voltage? Also use LLC at almost maximum (very high on asus boards I believe). you can check your vid with core temp.

that's another thing with this board, the LLC only has 2 options, on or off, not different levels

I have the P8Z68V - LE

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131773R&Tpk=asus%20p8z68%20v%20le

Oh, and this board doesn't support SLI either just crossfire
Edited by StormProtocol - 6/26/12 at 4:04pm
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post #7 of 14
Ah... too bad then. Just make sure to enable it, overclock, and then boot.

Check your VID with core temp. And aim something like 1.3v for 4.4Ghz using offset +-.

Let's say your VID is 1.25v. Do +0.05v on offset. Then run some stability test like IBT and see how much is vdroop using CPU-Z and so on until you get stable.

And have you tried to update the BIOS right?

If does not help then consider a new board.
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post #8 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by StormProtocol View Post

Quote:
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Before I try to recommend a new board, I need to ask: in regards to the Offset, what kind of vcore behavior are you getting right now?

it's really weird ( at least to me)

These are hypothetical number because i cant check the bios right now, but the vcore will be set to like 1.2 or something at default.

I will enable offset mode, and set it to +0.1 and when I enter windows, it has a completely different number, like 1.4. and if i set it to +0.05, it will still show as 1.4 in windows (core temp and cpuz)

it's gotten to the point that I just want to be able to enter a number and have it be the same when i load in to windows..

If this is normal I'm gonna make myself look dumb here, but oh well.. it's annoying

With the Offset, the value that you're entering is either added to or subtracted from the CPU's VID, depending on whether you have the Plus sign or Minus sign selected for the Offset. So now to see what your CPU's VID is, click here in Real Temp (you may need to have your CPU under full load in order to see your true VID):

418

However, it's also important to manually adjust the Load-Line Calibration. Usually, a High or Ultra High setting provides the best results because the math is more accurate. Otherwise, there's more guesswork required.

I mean, let's say that I want a load voltage (as opposed to an idle voltage) of exactly 1.376V. My VID is 1.3561V. Therefore, I first want a Load-Line Calibration setting that I know results in the least amount of vDroop possible. This should enable me to only have to worry about doing simple math without any additional guesswork. For me, that setting happens to be Ultra High. Knowing that the difference between 1.3561 and 1.376V is exactly 0.0199, and knowing that I can only adjust the Offset in increments of 0.005V, I have to choose +0.005V to see what happens.

Luckily, I have just enough vDroop but not too much that happens to land me at exactly 1.376V under full load. If I had used a lower Load-Line Calibration setting of like Medium or High, then I would have needed a higher Offset, but I would have had to do some guesswork.

However, there's one very important thing that must be mentioned: when using a manually set Offset Voltage like this, both "CPU C3 Report" and "CPU C6 Report" must be disabled. If they are enabled or even set to Auto, then the system will likely lock up while idling, or even get a BSOD while idling.



Edit: I see that your board only has On or Off for LLC. Therefore, use On for now just to see what happens if for no other reason than to see this in action. smile.gif
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Ah... too bad then. Just make sure to enable it, overclock, and then boot.
Check your VID with core temp. And aim something like 1.3v for 4.4Ghz using offset +-.
Let's say your VID is 1.25v. Do +0.05v on offset. Then run some stability test like IBT and see how much is vdroop using CPU-Z and so on until you get stable.
And have you tried to update the BIOS right?
If does not help then consider a new board.

Thanks for your advice.
i've updated the bios to the latest version.

Correct me if i'm incorrect about anything I say, as i'm new to overclocking.

but in order to get the base VID, I set my bios to default, and then load into windows and see what it is. (1.25v for example)
then i go back into the bios and change offset to manual, and set to +0.1 (should be 1.35v, right?)
Wrong, when i enter windows, HWmonitor says 1.425V *** that is max recommended voltage! NOT WHAT I WANT!

^as you can see i'm getting angry.
this dilema has forced me to use auto voltage so as not to fry my chip....
What the hell am i doing wrong?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Either way this board won't go to waste. my parents need a new computer so i'll buy a 2500k and slap it in there. When i bought my parts, i didn't know ANYTHING about motherboards so i trusted the idiot at fry's and got a board that doesn't even support SLI when i bought a nvidia card -.- FAIL
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
so i guess i'm not really looking to try to make this board work, but rather just looking for suggestions at a board built for pure overclocking that is fully unlocked
Edited by StormProtocol - 6/26/12 at 4:22pm
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Well I can recommend Asus P8Z68-V/Gen3, little cheaper than v-PRO/Gen3 and only lacks few Sata and usb-ports but other than that its the same board. Overclocks to 5+ghz if your chip will allow.

And I know your pain trying to get a good overclock stable on a cheap board that lacks lots of features/options.
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