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Yea trinity will be very impressive. Cannot wait to see what it will do.
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WOW! for $500 you cant go wrong.... the competition cant keep up with that..... cant wait to see some trinity benches like this biggrin.gif

and what is the competition?
single discrete graphics I think, and for gaming I think it's a better solution, a single 7750 ($110 card, and looking at the results even my old 5750 can keep up with that CF) should be better than this CF, with less driver/stuttering issues and a lot faster, and you can save a bit of money buying cheaper memory, and maybe a Athlon II X4 (with a cheap AM3+ MB which will work with Vishera CPUs on the future, FM1 is not going to support newer CPUs), not to mention options from Intel...

"APUs" make a lot more sense on mobile, but on desktop if you want more performance than what the integrated graphics can give...
Trinity IGP is faster BUT not all that much if you overclock lano IGP... the specs give you an idea, both have similarly limited memory bandwidth, llano have 20TMUs and Trinity 24, llano have 400sps VLIW5 and Trinity 384 VLIW4, the biggest difference (for performance) comes from the GPU clock, 800MHz for Trinity and 600 for llano, but llano IGP seems to overclock quite well (900+) and it's quite fast when overclocked (I've seen it scoring around 1.5k alone on 3dm11 performance mode, that's higher than Trinity)

OP should use tessellation on Heaven benchmark (and less anti aliasing) and try higher settings on the games...
but good work, there are not many results from this kind of setup (hybrid CF)...
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and what is the competition?
single discrete graphics I think, and for gaming I think it's a better solution, a single 7750 ($110 card, and looking at the results even my old 5750 can keep up with that CF) should be better than this CF, with less driver/stuttering issues and a lot faster, and you can save a bit of money buying cheaper memory, and maybe a Athlon II X4 (with a cheap AM3+ MB which will work with Vishera CPUs on the future, FM1 is not going to support newer CPUs), not to mention options from Intel...
"APUs" make a lot more sense on mobile, but on desktop if you want more performance than what the integrated graphics can give...
Trinity IGP is faster BUT not all that much if you overclock lano IGP... the specs give you an idea, both have similarly limited memory bandwidth, llano have 20TMUs and Trinity 24, llano have 400sps VLIW5 and Trinity 384 VLIW4, the biggest difference (for performance) comes from the GPU clock, 800MHz for Trinity and 600 for llano, but llano IGP seems to overclock quite well (900+) and it's quite fast when overclocked (I've seen it scoring around 1.5k alone on 3dm11 performance mode, that's higher than Trinity)
OP should use tessellation on Heaven benchmark (and less anti aliasing) and try higher settings on the games...
but good work, there are not many results from this kind of setup (hybrid CF)...

Proof of you statements?

Also, there is no stuttering what so ever with the dual graphics I am running right now. Not to mention that the power requirements for running my setup are significantly less than that of a regular rig with a quad core, and two GPU's.

Also, My rig has a decent motherboard for overclocking, sata 6gb/s, USB 3.0, stock VRM cooling with a good overclocking potential you will not get on a Basic board. Pairing a good CPU and GPU on a crap board is not having a well balanced system.

This thread is to show llano performance, not trying to directly compare to others. That being said I challenge you to build a better performing rig for 467 dollars and than post your benchmarks.

I doubt anything can be built for this price with the same performance, power requirements, and overclockability.
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Proof of you statements?
Also, there is no stuttering what so ever with the dual graphics I am running right now. Not to mention that the power requirements for running my setup are significantly less than that of a regular rig with a quad core, and two GPU's.
Also, My rig has a decent motherboard for overclocking, sata 6gb/s, USB 3.0, stock VRM cooling with a good overclocking potential you will not get on a Basic board. Pairing a good CPU and GPU on a crap board is not having a well balanced system.
This thread is to show llano performance, not trying to directly compare to others. That being said I challenge you to build a better performing rig for 467 dollars and than post your benchmarks.
I doubt anything can be built for this price with the same performance, power requirements, and overclockability.


proof of what? be more specific,
you can easily find comparison of GPUs on google and about stuttering, micro stuttering is a known problem with multi GPU (but it can happen in many situations), and with hybrid CF we are talking about 2 VGAs with significant different performance characteristics working in AFR, is even harder to get it right... and when llano was released driver support was quite bad for CF (no DX9, lot's of gamings with negative scaling), I'm sure it improved but still you can find on the reviews... with CF you are more dependent on driver updates with the right profiles...
I think CF and SLI are great for the high end stuff, when basically there is no way of going faster with a single GPU at the moment, or for the flexibility when upgrading, but for lower end solutions, when you can avoid and get the same performance with a single card...

so why a regular rig with 2 GPUs? you can get this kind of performance with a single GPU, also did you test power consumption? on the tests I saw it was nothing special for the performance,
there are inexpensive options with sata III and USB 3.0 for any platform.

about your challenge, I have not intention of competing nor building such a system right now, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to build a fast system for the money without hybrid CF, and using less or the same power, go with a 7750 as a start point, or even a 7770 (110 after rebate on newegg) saving a bit on other parts for the best gaming performance, also if you are only gaming you could go with a cheap dual core sandy bridge, and get the same performance, overclock loses a bit of relevance when for the same money and no overclock you can get better/same performance,

so, I'm not saying you build is not great for the money, it is, but I still think a single more powerful card would be better overall...

if you state the price from each part from your build it would be easier to compare with an option with a single discrete graphics card,
and as I said before, it would be more interesting to have a result on "Heaven" with more regular settings (tess ON, less AA..)
Edited by HMBR - 6/28/12 at 10:55pm
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First of all its not Hybrid cross fire, its APU dual graphics. Does not seem like much of a diff except I have no micro stuttering. You say its a well know problem but, its not on the APU platforms. I have tested multiple games and no stuttering what so ever.

Yes Intel is WAY better in performance most things no argument there. However a i3 as you suggested to get is way more expensive and its iGPU is almost unplayable. So why pay more for a processor that will not net more FPS?

As for you saying a single GPU would be better.....well duh. LLano Quad core CPU (good onchip graphics) = 109 bucks. So where can I get a good quad core and decent GPU that would perform better than that? Plz enlighten me as it would save my customers a ton of money.


llano is a entry level gaming quad core for 109 bucks. Works great for people on a budget, and has the option to expand on the platform by adding a cheap 89 dollar GPU. so for 198 dollars someone can be pulling 100+FPS in games like BFBC2. I would say this is amazing. If someone has more than 500 bucks to spend than ya sure go for a regular quad core and discrete GPU.

A8-3850 + 6670 = $198 Dollars

Athlon x 4 + HD 7770 = $224 Dollars
^(cheapest I can find)

APU wins in price, and price matters to people on a budget. And that's only if you buy the top tier APU, I could get the price even better.
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We all know that the Sandy Bridge Pentiums are pretty awesome price/perfomance, so I looked up some 3dmark11 scores using said pentium and an HD 7750 as above.

The APU blew it away in both graphics, and especially physics.

So, I was like, ok what about an i3-2100, even though it probably cost the same or more.

700

Looks like Dimaggio wins again. That APU crossfire seems to be at least as strong as an HD 6790. Having an overclockable true quad-core is pretty awesome too.

Edit: just found this. If you use the fastest model of the pentium combined with heavily overclocked 7770, it almost catches up.

Just need to compare prices of cpu/mobo/gpu combinations.

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First of all its not Hybrid cross fire, its APU dual graphics. Does not seem like much of a diff except I have no micro stuttering. You say its a well know problem but, its not on the APU platforms. I have tested multiple games and no stuttering what so ever.
Yes Intel is WAY better in performance most things no argument there. However a i3 as you suggested to get is way more expensive and its iGPU is almost unplayable. So why pay more for a processor that will not net more FPS?
As for you saying a single GPU would be better.....well duh. LLano Quad core CPU (good onchip graphics) = 109 bucks. So where can I get a good quad core and decent GPU that would perform better than that? Plz enlighten me as it would save my customers a ton of money.
llano is a entry level gaming quad core for 109 bucks. Works great for people on a budget, and has the option to expand on the platform by adding a cheap 89 dollar GPU. so for 198 dollars someone can be pulling 100+FPS in games like BFBC2. I would say this is amazing. If someone has more than 500 bucks to spend than ya sure go for a regular quad core and discrete GPU.
A8-3850 + 6670 = $198 Dollars
Athlon x 4 + HD 7770 = $224 Dollars
^(cheapest I can find)
APU wins in price, and price matters to people on a budget. And that's only if you buy the top tier APU, I could get the price even better.

Hybrid CF = Dual Graphics, I'm just using the older term,
Intel IGPs are mostly useless for gaming, that's not what I'm discussing here, the thing is, the 6670 is just to expensive when you can buy a 7750 or 6770 for little more, and have performance at the same level as the CF with the 6550D (with fast memory) with better consistency, and any faster VGA will just make you disable the 6550D

AII X4 + HD7770 to me looks like a better package, and you can save money buying cheaper memory,
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We all know that the Sandy Bridge Pentiums are pretty awesome price/perfomance, so I looked up some 3dmark11 scores using said pentium and an HD 7750 as above.
The APU blew it away in both graphics, and especially physics.
So, I was like, ok what about an i3-2100, even though it probably cost the same or more.

Looks like Dimaggio wins again. That APU crossfire seems to be at least as strong as an HD 6790. Having an overclockable true quad-core is pretty awesome too.

first of all, 3dmark 11 scales pretty well (better than games) with 4 cores, so physic scores for the i3 will suffer (trust me, dual core sandy bridges are better in gaming than 3dmark11), also it's highly optimized by the driver team and scales wonderfully well with CF


here an interesting test against Pentium+6770
3dmark-2.png
why such a drastic difference from the results you found!?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a8-3870k_7.html#sect0


another source with much lower score (Corsairs blog, under 2k with dual graphics)
http://www.corsair.com/en/blog/amd-llano-revisited-more-performance-options-plus-special-bundle-from-tiger-direct/

and another 2.5k while overclocked
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4177/amd_a8_3850_llano_apu_video_performance_examined/index2.html
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1320/pg9/sapphire-hd6670-low-profile-graphics-card-review-3dmark-11.html

average seems to be 2-2.5k with 2.5k being achieved with fast ram, and a ddr5 6670, if you go with slower ram, DDR3 card...


if the OP could test 3dmark11 it would help...

the results I find all around seem to be consistent, Dual Graphics (with fast ram and a good 6670 with ddr5) at best is as good as a 6770 or 7750 and a good enough CPU, but there are cases in which it is clearly slower, and with cards like the 7770 and 6850 in their current prices...
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Drivers. A lot can fluctuate between different driver settings, especially tessellation settings.

Keep in mind I simply pulled the 1st score off the respective futuremark database for each hardware group. Who knows what settings were used in the samples I showed, lol.

I'd say comparing to 5770/6770 is fair. Oh wait, they each have 800SP/16ROPs and so does HD 6790, and doesn't the A8+CF also have 800 radeon cores? Hmmn I think you are on to something rolleyes.gif

OP please run 3dmark11, also vantage and 06 if you can, so we can look up comparable results in the database.
 
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Drivers. A lot can fluctuate between different driver settings, especially tessellation settings.
Keep in mind I simply pulled the 1st score off the respective futuremark database for each hardware group. Who knows what settings were used in the samples I showed, lol.
I'd say comparing to 5770/6770 is fair. Oh wait, they each have 800SP/16ROPs and so does HD 6790, and doesn't the A8+CF also have 800 radeon cores? Hmmn I think you are on to something rolleyes.gif
OP please run 3dmark11, also vantage and 06 if you can, so we can look up comparable results in the database.

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