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So I guess posting that nice quality build for only 344 dollars sure shut the fanboy's up.thumb.gif

@Heavy MG I clicked on the link and it worked for me....I selected a board with heat sinks on the VRM's. I typically only ever buy boards with VRM cooling. Its a decent BioStar board for only 69. Unless I am doing a dirt cheap build for a customer that doesn't even know what overclocking is, then I just make sure any board that has 100% solid caps. You are correct though not many FM1 boards have cooled VRM's because the APU does not toast them like other CPU's do. Since I love overclocking I always make sure my boards do. biggrin.gif

I only use newegg because of my preferred account, easier to use that to keep track for my business, and build my credit. I could use my business card for other shops but its just what I have always done. I should look up prices on EU sites for those living there.


@HMBR Clearly you have trouble reading. So for the last time I SAID IGNORE THE 6670!!!!!!! I only benched that part to show people a APU can be upgraded for double performance. MY MAIN POINT HERE WAS TO BUILD A COMPUTER THAT CAN GAME FOR SUPER CHEAP LIKE 344 DOLLARS. So can you build an Intel rig or any other rig that will get these frame rates or better? Please enlighten me as it will save my shop money.

Again ignore the 6670, build a computer for 344 dollars that is better? You keep ignoring this challenge and only concentrating on the obvious cards that are better than a 6670.
Edited by Dimaggio1103 - 6/30/12 at 9:13pm
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People are missing the fact here. My reason for going llano is to provide my customers with a gaming option for super cheap. Take out the 6670 and I have a sub 400 dollar rig(344 bucks to be exact) that can play most games including BFBC2 wich is both a GPU intensive and a CPU intensive game.
So lets see it? go on new egg build a rig that can handle gaming for 344 bucks, and still be a quad core?......
My customers have all been really happy with the llano builds plus knowing they can double their performance in the future by grabbing a 6670 like I did, and still be well under 500 bucks.
So here is what I came up with, using quality parts, I could get the price lower using cheap ram, psu, and mobo.
A8-3850 APU = $109.99
Crucial Ballistix 1600 4 GB $24.99
BioStar A75 Motherboard $69.99
Corsair 500w 80 plus certified PSU $59.99
OCZ Solid 3 SSD 60GB $59.99
ATX mid tower case $19.99
Total cost = 344.94
This rig plays games perfectly fin with playable FPS. So lets see it Intel guys build something better on new egg and post links. And after you realize you can't please leave this thread to those truly interested in llano performance. thumb.gif

Radeon HD6750:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161395

Mid Tower Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353005

Cosair 430W:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

4GB Team Elite:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313102

Biostar micro atx:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138340

SB Pentium G620:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399

OCZ Solid 60GB SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227728

Total: 350.98 + $20 rebate

I'm not a fanboy but this rig is also pretty good for the money. SB isn't as reliant as AMD on memory bandwidth so I could save a few dollars there and the absurdly low energy requirement of SB means lower wattage PSU.

In the end though both rigs are awesome for the money.
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Radeon HD6750:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161395
Mid Tower Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353005
Cosair 430W:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
4GB Team Elite:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313102
Biostar micro atx:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138340
SB Pentium G620:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399
OCZ Solid 60GB SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227728
Total: 350.98 + $20 rebate
I'm not a fanboy but this rig is also pretty good for the money. SB isn't as reliant as AMD on memory bandwidth so I could save a few dollars there and the absurdly low energy requirement of SB means lower wattage PSU.
In the end though both rigs are awesome for the money.
Not bad,but the HD6750 is a bit weaker,and it's a DDR3 card.
I seen someone mention the 3870K ( I keep thinking of Ivy Bridge when I see that) has a bit more cpu power than a SB Pentium,not sure if it is true. I really wish someone would make a FM1 board with onboard GDDR5 ram for the APU.
    
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Radeon HD6750:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161395
Mid Tower Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353005
Cosair 430W:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
4GB Team Elite:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313102
Biostar micro atx:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138340
SB Pentium G620:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399
OCZ Solid 60GB SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227728
Total: 350.98 + $20 rebate
I'm not a fanboy but this rig is also pretty good for the money. SB isn't as reliant as AMD on memory bandwidth so I could save a few dollars there and the absurdly low energy requirement of SB means lower wattage PSU.
In the end though both rigs are awesome for the money.


Good try except one thing. I used all quality medium - high end motherboard, memory, PSU, ect.

My motherboard I chose came with VRM cooling and was good at overclocking yours was not. My CPU was a quad core and has tons of extras on chip, yours is a dual core and has no features. My ram is a higher class and speed of ram to aid in overclocking, your was not.

As I said I could have gotten the price down well under 300 bucks and still play games. It only costs 344 bucks because I am using higher end stuff. For example here is a cheaper build that Intel cant come close to using cheaper parts.

Cheapest APU build still able to play games:

Logysis Case w/480w PSU $26.99

BioStar A75 motherBoard $49.99

Corsair Vengance 4GB 1600MHz $29.99

llano dual core APU $59.99

OCZ Solid 3 SSD 60GB $59.99

Total cost = $226.95

Thats a very basic of basic gaming builds playing games for only 226.99 that cannot be beat. Not enuff graphical power for ya? throw in a 6670 currently selling for 64.99 for a total of $291.94 and really enjoy the games.


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Not bad,but the HD6750 is a bit weaker,and it's a DDR3 card.
I seen someone mention the 3870K ( I keep thinking of Ivy Bridge when I see that) has a bit more cpu power than a SB Pentium,not sure if it is true. I really wish someone would make a FM1 board with onboard GDDR5 ram for the APU.

^that is just genius.....
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So I guess posting that nice quality build for only 344 dollars sure shut the fanboy's up.thumb.gif
@Heavy MG I clicked on the link and it worked for me....I selected a board with heat sinks on the VRM's. I typically only ever buy boards with VRM cooling. Its a decent BioStar board for only 69. Unless I am doing a dirt cheap build for a customer that doesn't even know what overclocking is, then I just make sure any board that has 100% solid caps. You are correct though not many FM1 boards have cooled VRM's because the APU does not toast them like other CPU's do. Since I love overclocking I always make sure my boards do. biggrin.gif
I only use newegg because of my preferred account, easier to use that to keep track for my business, and build my credit. I could use my business card for other shops but its just what I have always done. I should look up prices on EU sites for those living there.
@HMBR Clearly you have trouble reading. So for the last time I SAID IGNORE THE 6670!!!!!!! I only benched that part to show people a APU can be upgraded for double performance. MY MAIN POINT HERE WAS TO BUILD A COMPUTER THAT CAN GAME FOR SUPER CHEAP LIKE 344 DOLLARS. So can you build an Intel rig or any other rig that will get these frame rates or better? Please enlighten me as it will save my shop money.
Again ignore the 6670, build a computer for 344 dollars that is better? You keep ignoring this challenge and only concentrating on the obvious cards that are better than a 6670.

wow,
no I can't read, clearly... seriously..... rolleyes.gif
you should read my posts more carefully
as I said it's a good setup for the money and if you are happy with how the IGP performs great, but buying with "dual graphics" in mind when much faster cards are so cheap...
anyway

BF3.png
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g620-amd-a8-3870k-radeon-hd-6670,3140-8.html

you can buy the CPU+VGA for 120, and the rest basically like yours, but you can save money on the PSU... and that's it, same price higher performance for gaming, and great performance for the daily tasks...
if you really need USB3/Sata 3 there is an appropriate MB at the same price... and...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131441
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157233 (you can save money with a H61 board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045
any cheap $20 ram,
the SSD and..

this MB supports i3/si5s/i7s, and you can sell/give your old VGA when you decide that you want a faster card,

that's what? 335 - 10 after rebate (and 20 less with the H61 I think, if you don't need USB3.0 or Sata3, and thats money that can go to a faster VGA)... anyway... that's getting boring, you can buy super cheap PCs with both Intel and AMD solutions, with comparable performance depending on the usage... so nothing special,



Dual Core APU is quite weak...
and if you want discrete graphics with your sub $300 you can also go with the G530 (the IGP is bad, but the CPU performance is quite good for the price)
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wow,
no I can't read, clearly... seriously..... rolleyes.gif
you should read my posts more carefully
as I said it's a good setup for the money and if you are happy with how the IGP performs great, but buying with "dual graphics" in mind when much faster cards are so cheap...
anyway
BF3.png
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g620-amd-a8-3870k-radeon-hd-6670,3140-8.html
you can buy the CPU+VGA for 120, and the rest basically like yours, but you can save money on the PSU... and that's it, same price higher performance for gaming, and great performance for the daily tasks...
if you really need USB3/Sata 3 there is an appropriate MB at the same price... and...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131441
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157233 (you can save money with a H61 board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045
any cheap $20 ram,
the SSD and..
this MB supports i3/si5s/i7s, and you can sell/give your old VGA when you decide that you want a faster card,
that's what? 335 - 10 after rebate (and 20 less with the H61 I think, if you don't need USB3.0 or Sata3, and thats money that can go to a faster VGA)... anyway... that's getting boring, you can buy super cheap PCs with both Intel and AMD solutions, with comparable performance depending on the usage... so nothing special,
Dual Core APU is quite weak...
and if you want discrete graphics with your sub $300 you can also go with the G530 (the IGP is bad, but the CPU performance is quite good for the price)

^LOL

You posted a Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 and think that will beat a A8-APU in graphics performance? Your rig is around my price yes, but 1st its not a quad core which in heavaly threaded apps will perform better, and 2nd you post a horrible GPU. You are using low quality products. I was not, and my second build with the 6670 in it for 290 bucks will still blow that one away.

6670>6570 am I wrong?

Multi threaded apps my APU destroys that dual here is a pic from your own source.
242


and another

257

What about those^ huh?
Edited by Dimaggio1103 - 7/1/12 at 12:15am
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^LOL
You posted a Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 and think that will beat a A8-APU in graphics performance? Your rig is around my price yes, but 1st its not a quad core which in heavaly threaded apps will perform better, and 2nd you post a horrible GPU. You are using low quality products. I was not, and my second build with the 6670 in it for 290 bucks will still blow that one away.
6670>6570 am I wrong?
Multi threaded apps my APU destroys that dual here is a pic from your own source.
242
and another
257
What about those^ huh?

that's the thing, you want a gaming build or what? no doubt the Pentium is weak compared to the X4 on this tasks but look at the gaming performance graphs again, you can get more performance for the price for gaming with other solutions,

and AGAIN, you can pair a faster card (like th $79 6770 I posted on the other page, take 57 out, add $79 after rebate still at around $ 350 if you want, with the 6770), but that selection of parts just shows that even a weak 6570 can clearly beat the APU by itself (just like in yours $344 build) for gaming... so for gaming, cheap dual core + cheap VGA can beat the 3870k + good memory and OC, and with a single $79 card can even keep up or beat the a8+6670 (the DDR5 $79 model),
and as you can see by the graph I posted, the APU is quite weak in games like BF3, and even the 6570, that's why saving some money with the CPU and buying something like a 6770 makes a lot of sense for a low budget gaming PC.

the quality of the products I choose is appropriate for the price range and parts,

but let me say AGAIN, I agree with llano as a great solution when you don't need more performance then what the IGP can give for graphics, and you need good multi thread CPU performance...
Edited by HMBR - 7/1/12 at 12:36am
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wow,
no I can't read, clearly... seriously..... rolleyes.gif
you should read my posts more carefully
as I said it's a good setup for the money and if you are happy with how the IGP performs great, but buying with "dual graphics" in mind when much faster cards are so cheap...
anyway
BF3.png
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g620-amd-a8-3870k-radeon-hd-6670,3140-8.html
you can buy the CPU+VGA for 120, and the rest basically like yours, but you can save money on the PSU... and that's it, same price higher performance for gaming, and great performance for the daily tasks...
if you really need USB3/Sata 3 there is an appropriate MB at the same price... and...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131441
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157233 (you can save money with a H61 board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045
any cheap $20 ram,
the SSD and..
this MB supports i3/si5s/i7s, and you can sell/give your old VGA when you decide that you want a faster card,
that's what? 335 - 10 after rebate (and 20 less with the H61 I think, if you don't need USB3.0 or Sata3, and thats money that can go to a faster VGA)... anyway... that's getting boring, you can buy super cheap PCs with both Intel and AMD solutions, with comparable performance depending on the usage... so nothing special,
Dual Core APU is quite weak...
and if you want discrete graphics with your sub $300 you can also go with the G530 (the IGP is bad, but the CPU performance is quite good for the price)
The graphics card is weaker,and the CPU is only a dual core,which you can't overclock either,but I suppose thats beside the point.
That mobo is also a low end one,if you want to upgrade you have to purchase a new one,and a PSU isn't something you want to cheap out on,even though the one you listed is branded as an Antec.
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Good try except one thing. I used all quality medium - high end motherboard, memory, PSU, ect.
My motherboard I chose came with VRM cooling and was good at overclocking yours was not. My CPU was a quad core and has tons of extras on chip, yours is a dual core and has no features. My ram is a higher class and speed of ram to aid in overclocking, your was not.
As I said I could have gotten the price down well under 300 bucks and still play games. It only costs 344 bucks because I am using higher end stuff. For example here is a cheaper build that Intel cant come close to using cheaper parts.
Cheapest APU build still able to play games:
Logysis Case w/480w PSU $26.99
BioStar A75 motherBoard $49.99
Corsair Vengance 4GB 1600MHz $29.99
llano dual core APU $59.99
OCZ Solid 3 SSD 60GB $59.99
Total cost = $226.95
Thats a very basic of basic gaming builds playing games for only 226.99 that cannot be beat. Not enuff graphical power for ya? throw in a 6670 currently selling for 64.99 for a total of $291.94 and really enjoy the games.
^that is just genius.....
A dual core Llano is kinda slow,but for the price of a console while still being able to play games possibly better than a console is nice,not sure if I would trust that Logisys PSU even on low power hardware though. Until you get to an i3,the broken SB's aka Pentiums aren't the best for games and lack some features.
    
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The graphics card is weaker,and the CPU is only a dual core,which you can't overclock either,but I suppose thats beside the point.
That mobo is also a low end one,if you want to upgrade you have to purchase a new one,and a PSU isn't something you want to cheap out on,even though the one you listed is branded as an Antec.
A dual core Llano is kinda slow,but for the price of a console while still being able to play games possibly better than a console is nice,not sure if I would trust that Logisys PSU even on low power hardware though. Until you get to an i3,the broken SB's aka Pentiums aren't the best for games and lack some features.

that PSU is GREAT for the money
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Power-Supply-Review/1487

are you telling me that the 6570 is weaker than the llano IGP? and as I said, you can fit the 6770 I mentioned on the other page on this build.
it's a dual core, but with high enough IPC, it can play games well for a low cost PC (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-g850-g840-g620_4.html#sect0)
no you don't need to replace it, that mobo have full support for higher end CPUs, it will work


the A4 cannot play games better than a console, it's good for the low price, but not really and option for playing games,
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/ian-stevenson/amd-a4-3400-apu-review/16/
Edited by HMBR - 7/1/12 at 12:50am
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^that is what I have been saying +rep MG

@HMBR When I build a PC for a client I want them to be able to play games and do good at other things as well. A computer is used for multiple stuff not just games. Although that is the concentration when I build one. You Pentium is like I said AGAIN lacking features, lacks in heavily threaded apps, cannot be Overclocked (much if any), and the rest of your parts are crummy.

I said it over and over. Build a QUAD CORE rig that can play games and be similar performance for less. Intel cannot do this, fact. That being said I freakin love Intel and my favorite quad is a 2500K ask most people that know me on here I go hard on promoting that thing. lol But Intel cannot compete with Budget rigs.

You post inferior products and act like your building better stuff, but your not. If you can build a ALL AROUND gaming QUAD CORE with similar or better performance, for cheaper I will admit defeat. Not gonna happen cause AMD owns the Budget market. period. thumb.gif
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