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7/1/12 at 1:03am
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that PSU is GREAT for the money
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-VP450-Power-Supply-Review/1487
are you telling me that the 6570 is weaker than the llano IGP? and as I said, you can fit the 6770 I mentioned on the other page on this build.
it's a dual core, but with high enough IPC, it can play games well for a low cost PC (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-g850-g840-g620_4.html#sect0)
no you don't need to replace it, that mobo have full support for higher end CPUs, it will work
the A4 cannot play games better than a console, it's good for the low price, but not really and option for playing games,
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/ian-stevenson/amd-a4-3400-apu-review/16/
Nowhere in that first article did I see a A8. You are correct there,the A4 isn't really meant for games,it's HD6410 GPU has a lot less shaders/TMU's than the HD6670. I would use the the A4 in a HTPC build but not for gaming. The OP's whole point was make a high quality gaming rig for less than $500,without needing a discrete GPU,the quad core comes as a neat bonus.
That mobo is a low end one and lacks features the,you have to spend more if you want USB 3 on a high quality board,even SATA 3 6GB/s which I find silly,SATA 3 should be a standard option.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138296
This Biostar TH67+ is only $99,has USB 3.0/SATA 6GB/s but is low grade from reading the reviews.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/1/12 at 1:14am
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7/1/12 at 1:06am
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^that is what I have been saying +rep MG
@HMBR When I build a PC for a client I want them to be able to play games and do good at other things as well. A computer is used for multiple stuff not just games. Although that is the concentration when I build one. You Pentium is like I said AGAIN lacking features, lacks in heavily threaded apps, cannot be Overclocked (much if any), and the rest of your parts are crummy.
I said it over and over. Build a QUAD CORE rig that can play games and be similar performance for less. Intel cannot do this, fact. That being said I freakin love Intel and my favorite quad is a 2500K ask most people that know me on here I go hard on promoting that thing. lol But Intel cannot compete with Budget rigs.
You post inferior products and act like your building better stuff, but your not. If you can build a ALL AROUND gaming QUAD CORE with similar or better performance, for cheaper I will admit defeat. Not gonna happen cause AMD owns the Budget market. period. thumb.gif

the Pentium dual core is acceptable for what most people use their PCs and low cost gaming, and as a gaming CPU it can help you to save some money which you can direct to the graphics card, that's the point of that, what features is it lacking?
overclocking is great and fun, but for the use in question (gaming) it doesn't really make a difference when you are so constrained by the limitations of the IGP,

Intel have no cheap quad core as you know, their quad cores are in a different performance and price range when compared to the A8,
I agree with you that for many users the A8 can be a great choice (needs the multi thread performance, doesn't need much GPU performance), I just don't think that "Dual Graphics" is at the moment,
the parts I posted would result in clearly superior gaming performance at $350 (with the 6770 after rebate), and clearly inferior performance in some other applications

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Nowhere in that first article did I see a A8. You are correct there,the A4 isn't really meant for games,it's HD6410 GPU has a lot less shaders/TMU's than the HD6670. I would use the the A4 in a HTPC build but not for gaming. The OP's whole point was make a high quality gaming rig for less than $500,without needing a discrete GPU.
That mobo is a low end one and lacks features the,you have to spend more if you want USB 3 on a high quality board,even SATA 3 6GB/s which I find silly,SATA 3 should be a standard option.

the first option of mobo I posted supports sata III http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157233
I don't know what article are you referring to, I was just comparing the G620+6570 against the A8 APU (with no dGPU)

the thing with the G620 is a $ 350 not $ 500 rig,
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7/1/12 at 1:32am
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Yes but for 344 you can have a quad core and good quality parts, wich is what I built. Oh and BTW this is OVERCLOCK.NET So ofcourse we are gonna want a overclock option if possible on a 344 dollar rig. With my option they get quad core, gaming graphics, and Overclocking. Your build they do not. That is my point.

Just to clarify with my recommended APU build you get:

Quad core, Overclocking head room, VRM cooling, Good fast memory, Decent graphics performance, sata 3, USB 3.0,Great PSU, just to name a few.

Your Intel build fails to have even half of what I listed. If I wanted to build just a gaming build that can max any game obviously I would go a different route. But for 344 bucks, with all the features and decent gaming performance, again cannot match it.
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7/1/12 at 1:53am
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Yes but for 344 you can have a quad core and good quality parts, wich is what I built. Oh and BTW this is OVERCLOCK.NET So ofcourse we are gonna want a overclock option if possible on a 344 dollar rig. With my option they get quad core, gaming graphics, and Overclocking. Your build they do not. That is my point.
Just to clarify with my recommended APU build you get:
Quad core, Overclocking head room, VRM cooling, Good fast memory, Decent graphics performance, sata 3, USB 3.0,Great PSU, just to name a few.
Your Intel build fails to have even half of what I listed. If I wanted to build just a gaming build that can max any game obviously I would go a different route. But for 344 bucks, with all the features and decent gaming performance, again cannot match it.
Overclocking isn't critical for a cheap gaming rig,but for the price point and being able to OC on such a cheap rig you really can't beat it.
I noticed the SSD and the APU you listed previously are no longer on sale,so I thought I'd refresh the build list.
The case is crappy,but what can you expect for $20.
AMD A8 3870K APU $119.99- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106001
Biostar A75MH FM1 board $69.99- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138337
Crucial Ballstix 4GB $24.99-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148488
Mushkin Enhanced Deluxe 60GB SSD- $59.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226151
Corsair CX 500w PSU;after $30 total in rebates -$29.99-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027
DIYPC case $20- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353005
Total- $324.94
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/1/12 at 10:45pm
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7/1/12 at 1:55am
Dimaggio can you post some 3dmark, at stock and overclocked cpu/gpu so we can compare?
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7/1/12 at 2:09am
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Yes but for 344 you can have a quad core and good quality parts, wich is what I built. Oh and BTW this is OVERCLOCK.NET So ofcourse we are gonna want a overclock option if possible on a 344 dollar rig. With my option they get quad core, gaming graphics, and Overclocking. Your build they do not. That is my point.
Just to clarify with my recommended APU build you get:
Quad core, Overclocking head room, VRM cooling, Good fast memory, Decent graphics performance, sata 3, USB 3.0,Great PSU, just to name a few.
Your Intel build fails to have even half of what I listed. If I wanted to build just a gaming build that can max any game obviously I would go a different route. But for 344 bucks, with all the features and decent gaming performance, again cannot match it.


you can overclock the VGA
that $ 70 1155 board also supports sata III and USB 3.0, and the PSU is worse I agree, but far from bad, the point of that rig was simply greater gaming performance for the same money, it will certainly lack in many of the other aspects, but for some people playing a game significantly better with the same money spent would make all the difference...

(VRM cooling is not necessary with a dual core SB at 2.6GHz)
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7/1/12 at 2:17am
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you can overclock the VGA
that $ 70 1155 board also supports sata III and USB 3.0, and the PSU is worse I agree, but far from bad, the point of that rig was simply greater gaming performance for the same money, it will certainly lack in many of the other aspects, but for some people playing a game significantly better with the same money spent would make all the difference...
(VRM cooling is not necessary with a dual core SB at 2.6GHz)
But can you make a game capable fully overclock-able Intel build for around $300?
The AMD based APU with SSD, no Dual graphics/discrete GPU I posted, minus case,is $304 .
Pentium G630 + ASRock H67M-GE/HT with Sapphire HD6670, same ram,SSD & PSU as the AMD build is $397.93
Sure if you subtract the GPU it's cheaper but try gaming with the onboard,and you still cannot OC the CPU.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/1/12 at 2:35am
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7/1/12 at 5:05am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the reviews on dual graphics mode say that the 6670 will only run at DDR3 speeds since that is what the APU is running at. They've said to save money and buy the DDR3 model of the 6670 for this reason.
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7/1/12 at 6:58am
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the reviews on dual graphics mode say that the 6670 will only run at DDR3 speeds since that is what the APU is running at. They've said to save money and buy the DDR3 model of the 6670 for this reason.

That very much depends on how you setup the Dual Graphics configuration. You can ether use the system memory or the dGPU memory. So if you plug your monitor in the 6670 and enable Surround View in the BIOS the Dual Graphics configuration will make full use of the dGPU memory. GDDR5 can give you up to 10fps if setup this way.

If you follow the AMD Dual Graphics tutorial then you will end up using system memory and be bottlenecked by it. For example if I use the system memory in my Dual Graphics configuration I get ~2fps lower then if I use the dGPU memory. My system memory is running at 1866MHz and the DDR3 on the 6670 I have it overclocked to 1000MHz (2000 effectively).

High speed system memory will make a huge difference though if you are using the iGPU by itself, in that case the faster the better. But if you plan on using a Dual Graphics configuration you can save some money and get even a cheap 1333MHz memory and it wont make a difference. That is if you know what you are doing and not just following the manual.
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7/1/12 at 8:09am
damaggio, can you play some bfbc2 and record with fraps or ab please ? i would like to see what the frames are with some firefighting and with at least 16 players please. you said "
BFBC2 really likes dual graphics, running at over 100FPS 90FPS with heavy fighting" but i see you looking out over the lake with no one there and nothing else happening.
all the screens shots you show, there isnt anything going on. in essence, youre asking us to take your word for framerates.
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