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#1 ·
ok well all my specs should be in my siggy. was amd based. but im going to use a gtx 580, i havent installed it because i belive my current system is not worthy. im going intel, so i wanna get a intel 2500k or 3570k(planning on 4.0 ghz OC), i want a motherboard under $130, not going to buy anything from microcenter. please tell me what are some important things i should know about the motherboard please <3... also wat is the best kind of ram that it can handle. thx
 
#2 ·
First of all. the question you ask is impossible. There will always be a bottleneck...there will always being something holding you back.

Ram: You have two big decisions: 8Gb or 16Gb. People on OCN argue both ways. Going with the fastest possible RAM is a waste of money, find something middle of the road speeds (1600 MHz - 1866 MHz) with low latency (like CAS 9-10). I would recommend Mushkin's Redline, Corsair's Dominator GT, or G.Skill's Ripjaws.

I would look at something like this --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231489

Motherboards: Every person on OCN is going to tell you something different. For a Intel chipset, the market is flooded with 1,000 good choices. Look for the peripherals that you want. Do you want lots of USB ports? Do you want lots of PCI-E slots? Do you want fancy onboard sound? Are you looking for certain colors?

Personally, I've been REALLY blown away by the quality of the nicer ASRock motherboards. Don't be afraid to look at the "older" P67 / Z68 chipsets, if your on a budget they are just as good as the Z77's for 99% of everything.

I would look at something like this (ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 $119) --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271

or this ( ASRock Z77 Extreme4 $134) --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157265
 
#8 ·
•2500k ~ $100-$150 used
•any cheap z board like asrock ~$50-$100 new or used
•8gb 2133 cl9 (like the g.skill snipers) ~50-~60 new
•h100 from newegg its like $95 new

with the h100 you can get around 4.6-5ghz on 2500 since there is no hyperthreading which raises the temps and requires a custom water loop to achieve something closer to the 5ghz range unless you get lucky and get a good overclocker.
~$300-$400
 
#11 ·
I think you will notice a difference going from AMD to intel 2500!
Anyways, I would not worry to much about bottlenecks. Once you upgrade, your hardware should be pretty stout for a little while. This will give you time to tinker with it, fine tune it, and get to know it like a new girlfriend. You will find a few things she....sorry getting off topic. The point is, stay within your budget, upgrade, read the forums, ask questions, and learn. Good safe hobby that keeps you out of trouble.
I love AMD, but the powar is on the dark side!
 
#16 ·
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Can you please elaborate more.......
I believe he was referring to the fact that the corsair whatever number it is is self contained, you do not add water to it, its a closed loop. It comes filled
 
#19 ·
Most big air coolers with be within 1 C the performance of a H100, honestly i don't feel it's worth the hassle...and would rather go big air. That being said, there is nothing wrong with a H100.

OP, it's up for you to decided....water like a H80 or H100, or big air like a Noctua NH-D14 or PH-TC14PE. Both methods are good ways to cool. The Phanteks PH-TC14PE is my recommendation to OP for CPU cooler. (Just make sure to use low-profile memory with the cooler.)

Seriously, everyone chill out. Just because The_chemist21 forgot whether it comes with water or not, does not make him un-knowledgeable. Why did we spend 8 posts disusing water? This is silly. OP wants motherboard/RAM/CPU Coolers suggestions, so lets get back on topic.
 
#20 ·
I5 3570K runs hotter than a 2500K but it is also faster when you compare the two clock by clock, with a hyper 212 plus/evo cooler heat won't be an issue at all at your desired (4Ghz) speed, it's good until 4.4-4.5 ghz depending on your chip and case cooling. I got my Z77 and i5 3570K a month ago, Gigabyte makes good mobos with quality components at a reasonable price and they have like 10 different z77 boards you can pick one that is best for your needs and budget. 8gig ram is more than enough for gaming and daily use, I would pick a fast 8gigs set like 2133mhz etc rather than an average 1600mhz 16gigs set.
 
#21 ·
how do i know if 2133 mhz fits the board i am getting. Btw guys what is water cooling good for? i hear its only good for like 4.8ghz + . i was thinking about going hyper 212+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271
3570k for saving power, and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 is that good?

or this mb is it better http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131786

Thanks
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#22 ·
On Newegg, when you go to the "details" tab while looking at motherboards, you'll see "Memory Standard DDR3 2133(OC) / 1600 / 1333 / 1066 / 800" etc, you can tell if the motherboard supports 2133/2666 etc by looking at those specs. If you are going to get H100 or another watercooling solution Ripjaws are fine but because they have such a high profile they may prevent you from installing some of the larger air coolers (14cm fans would block some of your memory slots)
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by Kindredice View Post

I5 3570K runs hotter than a 2500K but it is also faster when you compare the two clock by clock, with a hyper 212 plus/evo cooler heat won't be an issue at all at your desired (4Ghz) speed, it's good until 4.4-4.5 ghz depending on your chip and case cooling. I got my Z77 and i5 3570K a month ago, Gigabyte makes good mobos with quality components at a reasonable price and they have like 10 different z77 boards you can pick one that is best for your needs and budget. 8gig ram is more than enough for gaming and daily use, I would pick a fast 8gigs set like 2133mhz etc rather than an average 1600mhz 16gigs set.
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No. Get 16GB. The extra gigs will make more of a difference than 2.1GHZ RAM.
(If they make a difference)
 
#25 ·
Raw speed does make a difference, extra available memory that you won't use doesn't. Pretty much all the games still use less than 4gb for legacy reasons, 32 bit compability, so 8 gigs is more than enough. Faster memory can make a difference even on daily used applications such as Winrar. unless you do rendering, editing etc 16gb is overkill, the benefits of having 2133mhz memory over 1600s might be small but it is still more than the extra memory simply just occupying your mobo's slots.

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#26 ·
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Originally Posted by Kindredice View Post

Raw speed does make a difference, extra available memory that you won't use doesn't. Pretty much all the games still use less than 4gb for legacy reasons, 32 bit compability, so 8 gigs is more than enough. Faster memory can make a difference even on daily used applications such as Winrar. unless you do rendering, editing etc 16gb is overkill, the benefits of having 2133mhz memory over 1600s might be small but it is still more than the extra memory simply just occupying your mobo's slots.

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That's 16gigs that youre highlighting
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Might be small? If you've EVER run out of memory you'll have a very sluggish computer in your hands
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BTW, studies have shown for everyday gaming, hi-speed memory does NOT make a difference.
 
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