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[CNET]Apple wins patent for rotating and scaling documents on touch screens

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When considering the bitter rivalries that have emerged in the smartphone industry between Apple and its competitors (Samsung, Google, HTC, Nokia), one needs only to review the patent portfolio of each company to see from where it all stems.
To argue that the patent system is broken is another article for another day, but with Apple receiving the grant from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for document translation, rotation, and scaling, it is safe to assume that the intellectual property battles will only heighten.
This is just stupid now. This time they are patenting a feature EVERY OTHER SMARTPHONE HAS.
I would love to see this get enforced.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-57460831-233/apple-wins-patent-for-rotating-and-scaling-documents-on-touch-screens/?tag=cnetRiver
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So before everyone gets fired up over this, applying for and receiving a patent takes awhile [poses the question of how long was this in queue]. Also, was Apple the first to utilize the technology? Were they the first/only ones to apply for the patent? Is their method different than another companies?

There are a lot more reasons for why/how Apple can receive this patent than through conspiracies and tinfoil hats. I'm not defending Apple (don't comment on my system), but all too often we are quick to poke at their patent asshattery without really questioning the situation.
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So before everyone gets fired up over this, applying for and receiving a patent takes awhile [poses the question of how long was this in queue]. Also, was Apple the first to utilize the technology? Were they the first/only ones to apply for the patent? Is their method different than another companies?
There are a lot more reasons for why/how Apple can receive this patent than through conspiracies and tinfoil hats. I'm not defending Apple (don't comment on my system), but all too often we are quick to poke at their patent asshattery without really questioning the situation.
True, that would have been sensible back then since the IPhone was really the only phone to do that. But now... that just can't work at all.
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He with the most dollars wins. I would love to find the ones responsible for granting this Patent, and see their financials.
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From the source link, the irony that Apple's "light sensitive wand" uses a palm m100 as the "handheld device". What no Newton?:

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True, that would have been sensible back then since the IPhone was really the only phone to do that. But now... that just can't work at all.

It depends on when it was applied for. IIRC, if they applied for it before it became common, it can still be awarded and defended. If it was commonplace before they applied for the patent, then the patent itself would be invalid as it does not meet the criteria for being novel. It all comes down to the date it was filed.
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I bet Apple pays quite a few people at the patent office.

What a joke. This craps been used for years.


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Call me crazy, tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy junkie - but this isn't even funny anymore. And I do believe that they must be throwing out some cash to acquire there nonsense patents..

Love their high quality products, hate the game they play..
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You think the patent system is broken now... Then you take a class on the patent/copyright system and really see how broken it is. It hasn't changed much except for the DMCA, and digital technology really threw the system for a loop. As much as I love Apple products, personally I think this patented concept is weak. The problem is that the criteria to be a patent examiner is very low; essentially anyone with a bachalors degree can get a job as an examiner for patents in that field. Many will work as one for 3-5 years, then get picked up by law firms since they know the system, and the examiner's job is monotonous and boring. The examiner turnover rate is very high.

Anyway, here are the criteria for most patents (excludes things like plant patents): A patent must be novel, nonobvious, and useful. The concept of rotating and scaling documents on touch screens is arguably not novel or nonobvious after the movie Minority Report. This, IMHO, never should have gotten past the examiner. The problem is that if a company doesn't try to patent things like this, nothing stops someone else from doing the same and a weak patent slipping by an examiner. Getting a patent overturned is an incredibly expensive and drawn out process. The system is one where, if you are a company with a large bank account, there is no disincentive to not patent anything and everything, but there is a disincentive to not applying for even an arguably invalid patent.
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Perhaps I'm wrong, but I feel that patents are simply too broad. I really can't see much use for them other than milking innovations, which is fine in a sense. If somebody invented a way to wirelessly transmit electricity or something, I'd want them to get some reward for it. However, I don't think they should be able to ruin somebody else's business because they are one branch on a tree.
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