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6/29/12 at 1:07am
What kind of idiots on that forum didn't enter along with a plethora of security-enhancing addons, several proxies, VPN(s), AND Tor protecting them?
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6/29/12 at 1:28am
24 down 382,000 to go. thumb.gif
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OCN is just a honeypot for illegal reselling of used hardware wink.gif
Ssshhhhhh!!! I'll never be able to push these chips with you meddling kids!
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6/29/12 at 1:46am
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If those 24 dudes were actually credit card hackers (It's not because the FBI says they're hackers that they are), I'm glad we're rid of them. I mean, hacking the FBI, hacking a website and putting a dirty message instead of the frontpage, hacking the website of the british government, hacking and stealing millions of porn accounts, no problems there, it doesn't harm anyone, it may even help some penisses feel better tongue.gif But hacking credit cards is just plain wrong. It's a step too far.
If they weren't actually hackers and were in fact just 300 pound dudes sitting in their mom's basement converted to a "command center"... I pity them.
If you read the charges, you would understand a bit better.
The ages (with the exception of the 2 minor) are 18-25. Most of them are college students, or teenagers. The reason why they caught, is because they are still amateurs. Notice how none of these people are above 30+ of age? Because the experienced one are smart enough to avoid going on a newly created public carding forum, which can be a FBI STING. They are also smart enough to order on amazon using the same email they sell malaware with.

The majority are being charged for
-Carding

However some have the following charges
-Distribution of Malaware (Xvisceral)
-Wire Fraud

Also, another hacker called c0mrade is arrested. He is a hacker who claimed to go whitehat, but it's a problem when you hack into major airline networks and threaten the companies to posting data leaks from major exploits when they ignore him.
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post #24 of 38
6/29/12 at 1:47am
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What kind of idiots on that forum didn't enter along with a plethora of security-enhancing addons, several proxies, VPN(s), AND Tor protecting them?
Maybe young amateurs? All of them under 30 years old. Also, tor, proxies, and VPN's can all be traced back. VPN's must be offshore, and since this is the FBI, it has to be one from North Korea or such where the U.S cannot make the company fess up the IP. Proxies can easily be traced back, even in a proxy chain. Tor can also easily be traced back if the FBI wanted, why do you think they make pedophile honeypots for deepnet?
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post #25 of 38
6/29/12 at 1:54am
24 "coolhackers" arrested... OMG
This sounds pathetic to me and mostly can be rephrased to - FBI 2 year long covert operation resulted in arresting 24 people who ate snickers in local store without paying for it.
Edited by DiNet - 6/29/12 at 1:57am
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6/29/12 at 2:13pm
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Maybe young amateurs? All of them under 30 years old. Also, tor, proxies, and VPN's can all be traced back. VPN's must be offshore, and since this is the FBI, it has to be one from North Korea or such where the U.S cannot make the company fess up the IP. Proxies can easily be traced back, even in a proxy chain. Tor can also easily be traced back if the FBI wanted, why do you think they make pedophile honeypots for deepnet?

True anonymity on the internet is impossible. However, with a chain of a dozen GOOD proxies, a decent offshore VPN, TOR, a heavily modified browser profile, and a secure GNU/Linux OS, you've come to the point where the FBI will not put enough effort into catching you unless you actually pose a threat to national security. On top of that, once they backtrace you, they have to actually seize your computer and find locally-stored proof it was you before you get in any actual trouble with the law. I know if I was ever involved in something highly illegal I'd be running Tails or Liberté off of a flash drive.
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6/30/12 at 9:51am
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True anonymity on the internet is impossible. However, with a chain of a dozen GOOD proxies, a decent offshore VPN, TOR, a heavily modified browser profile, and a secure GNU/Linux OS, you've come to the point where the FBI will not put enough effort into catching you unless you actually pose a threat to national security. On top of that, once they backtrace you, they have to actually seize your computer and find locally-stored proof it was you before you get in any actual trouble with the law. I know if I was ever involved in something highly illegal I'd be running Tails or Liberté off of a flash drive.
Heres a simple checklist of what even the most basic carders do

-Public Wifi
-Spoofed Mac Address
-Disposable Cheap Laptop
-5+ Minimum Socks 5 Proxy Chain
-Offshore VPN, optionally from several companies.

Tor isn't really used, but you can always use for that extra step.
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6/30/12 at 10:04am
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2 years for 24 arrests? wow.. :doh.gif: well..at least they stopped them from taking peoples money..
However I'd be willing to bet the FBI spent more tax dollars than the amount of money they stopped from being stolen.
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2 years for 24 arrests? wow.. :doh.gif: well..at least they stopped them from taking peoples money..
However I'd be willing to bet the FBI spent more tax dollars than the amount of money they stopped from being stolen.

Because money is more important than arresting someone for doing something illegal? If someone, for example, was taking $100/month from my account but it would take $150/month to catch them, I would gladly pay the extra money to have them in prison. No matter if the money it took to catch them was more than just letting them rip me off every month. I understand your way of thinking though, and I'm sure many others wouldn't do the same as I would.
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6/30/12 at 11:29am
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Heres a simple checklist of what even the most basic carders do
-Public Wifi
-Spoofed Mac Address
-Disposable Cheap Laptop
-5+ Minimum Socks 5 Proxy Chain
-Offshore VPN, optionally from several companies.
Tor isn't really used, but you can always use for that extra step.

derp, completely forgot about public wifi.

if the FBI only caught 24 people, I bet they're the only 24 people who DIDN'T do that.
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