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Again Confused Thermalright v.s. Noctua

post #1 of 19
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From left to right; Noctua NF-P12, NH-D14, Thermalright True

Good day!

This is probably the third time I rethink my choice of CPU cooling.

1. Thermalright True Black PHP 2,500 / comes with a measly 120 mm fan that I'll replace anywa

2. Thermalright Venomous X Black PHP 3,400 / comes with a 140 mm Thermalright fan and with just an additional PHP 600 I can get another 140mm

3. Noctua NH-D14 PHP 3250

4. Noctua NH-C14 PHP 3000

Here are my thoughts:

So, I have the following specs down below on my siggy. As you may have noticed I don't need uber cooling. I am looking for pound-for-pound performance and aesthetics. I'm not aiming for top of the line cooling that comes at high price, nor am I aiming for lowest price but crappy cooling. I want something in the sweet spot.

In summary the Thermalright coolers are like your high maintenance prostitutes. They come at a seemingly decent low price but to increase performance you have to add a few bucks. The Noctua coolers however are like rich girlfriends, they aren't as slutty as the thermalright coolers but they already come with the good stuff but with a stock price that is quite high already.

Thermalright looks-wise is top-notch. The "black" theme is really to my liking as it goes well with my black and white theme. This is a huge plus for thermalright.

I believe the thermalright true comes at a very good price at 2500php as well which is the lowest of the batch. But the downside is... it only comes with a cheap 120fan, that i don't really know the brand. With an additional 600php I can get a decent 140mm Thermalright fan. But that would defeat the purpose and make the total cost 3,100 with just one fan.

The NH-D14 will cost 3250php cash. I don't really like how it looks. I'm kind-of obsessive-compulsive and the non-symmetry of the NH-D14 is a huge minus. The cooling is top-notch I hear and (correct me if I'm wrong) beats all others in this list when it comes to performance.

Aside from my nit-picky subconscious telling me that the NH-D14 is ugly, I don't have much issues regarding it aside from in the future I'd like to be able to use high-profile rams. A definite-NO if I chose the NH-D14

Plus to the NH-D14 for including two fans already for 3250.

Plus to the NH-C14 for including two 140 fands for just 3000K. But aesthetics wise... This is the least tasty.

The Venomous X Black is also a good deal since the retailer has a promo of adding a 140mm Thermalright fan free. So 1 fan for 3,400php and there is also the same option to add 600php more to get a 2nd fan. But in total that brings the amount to 4000php.

So what are you're thoughts? If the Thermalright Venomous X Black with one 140mm fan equals the performance of the NH-D14 with two fans then I'd get the Thermalright Venomous X.

If you guys can provide me with a link that reviews all 4 of these coolers side by side (and I hope it also has pics of all 4 of these coolers side by side) please let me know. I'd really like to see how the Thermalright True compares to the Venomous X size wise.

ADDENDUM:

Looking at these coolers and reading reviews make me think. If the fins are closer together and much more dense they have more surface area but would need more powerful fans to push air through the smaller spaces. If the fins are wider spaced, then there's a lot more room for a slower rpm fan to push air and cool the fins. I prefer the latter, since I'd like my cooler to benefit from the other fans in my case as well. So there must be some difference with these coolers when it comes to this.
Edited by shogrran - 6/28/12 at 3:17pm
post #2 of 19
^^^ You are WAY over-thinking this subject. biggrin.gif

The link below is an excellent HSF thermal efficiency/capacity database. How any HSF performs in your PC case with your PC hardware can only be determined from actual testing in your PC case though the better HSFs still tend to perform well in any PC case they can fit in. They are all typically within a couple degrees C - so any of them will serve you well.

As far as aesthetics is conceren that is subjective and 100% your call. Buy What Makes YOU Happy.
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Originally Posted by AMD4ME View Post

^^^ You are WAY over-thinking this subject. biggrin.gif
The link below is an excellent HSF thermal efficiency/capacity database. How any HSF performs in your PC case with your PC hardware can only be determined from actual testing in your PC case though the better HSFs still tend to perform well in any PC case they can fit in. They are all typically within a couple degrees C - so any of them will serve you well.
As far as aesthetics is conceren that is subjective and 100% your call. Buy What Makes YOU Happy.

I have to over think this. I don't have much money. The cooler I buy now should last forever.

Oh speaking of forever...... there's another plus side for the Noctua.... as they have "adapters" so that you can use the coolers in future builds. Both the C14 and D14 can be used for socket 2011.

OH... and where is your... "Link Below"?
post #4 of 19
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No thoughts? Anyone? After a few more video's i'm now leaning towards the Thermalright true black.
post #5 of 19
Best bang for the buck IMO is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO(newest version)

PS I have an NH-D14 now but previously had the Hyper
post #6 of 19
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Best bang for the buck IMO is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO(newest version)
PS I have an NH-D14 now but previously had the Hyper

I second this. Hyper is a very good cooler and It's great for its price. I don't personally own it tho.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by shogrran View Post

I have to over think this. I don't have much money. The cooler I buy now should last forever.
Oh speaking of forever...... there's another plus side for the Noctua.... as they have "adapters" so that you can use the coolers in future builds. Both the C14 and D14 can be used for socket 2011.
OH... and where is your... "Link Below"?

not even sure why you are over thinking this... you know noctua is the better choice in the long run so for a "should last forever" point of view, there is really no contest... noctua will provide mounting hardware for future sockets. as long as the industry stays with the ATX specification, there is no need to worry about the D14 becoming obsolete. I wouldn't look at the C14 either since it is designed for low profile chassis like a SFF case. and for that you do give up some cooling performance for it. Unless you absolutely know you will be moving to a SFF rig in the future, there is no point in getting the lower performing C14.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

not even sure why you are over thinking this... you know noctua is the better choice in the long run so for a "should last forever" point of view, there is really no contest... noctua will provide mounting hardware for future sockets. as long as the industry stays with the ATX specification, there is no need to worry about the D14 becoming obsolete. I wouldn't look at the C14 either since it is designed for low profile chassis like a SFF case. and for that you do give up some cooling performance for it. Unless you absolutely know you will be moving to a SFF rig in the future, there is no point in getting the lower performing C14.

The reason why the C14 is there is because It cools not only the cpu but also the stuff around it. So more of a general motherboard cooling solution as well. My mobo doesn't have any of those fancy heatsinks modern motherboards now have. And sooner or later my motherboard is going to be obsolete. So I would like to make this one last forever as well.

There isn't that much guarantee that just getting adapters for future sockets will make the sink last me forever really... it is just a plus really for one to two builds more. But eventually when that time comes, using a cooler that was designed for older processors wouldn't be good even if they do make adapters for it.

As I said in the initial quote, I'm looking for aesthetics and performance sweet spot. And as I described it, the thermalright coolers are like prostitutes that come cheaper and slutty but needs added cash to perform, and the noctua coolers come expensive already but with the performance already there and not much room for adding stuff and not so slutty in my opinion.
post #9 of 19
I reccomend looking into my cooler, the spire thermax eclipse ii

its a very good cooler and keeps up with the NH-D14, and its dark nickel plated, looks awesome, so maybe a good addition to your black white theme

I dont know what kind of beast CPU you are going to cool, but i have my 1100t 6 core overclocked to 4.23 GHZ with 5-10 celcius to spare, this cooler is a absolute beast and comes with 2 fans, both 2200 RPM, so push pull is a option without any more costs.
so I definetly suggest you take a look at that cooler
comparison

I bought mine for 40 euro's as I currently live in the nederlands so it is a good bang for your buck cooler if you ask me.

hope I helped you, or at least showed you that there are other awesome coolers on the market wink.gif
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post #10 of 19
For you budget you may also take a look at the NH-U12P SE2. It was recommend too me. It's a great cooler and the prize is also good. However it's not the best performer. You may take a look at the Prolimatech Genesis and Prolimatech Megahelms. They are simply the best and the Prolimatech Genesis is a hybrid tower and top cooler and it cools both the cpu and the chipset. But Noctua is good because of the package (and the service). If your budget is tight and you are new to building a box I can recommend the Noctua NH-12UP SE2.

1. http://www.hardwareoverclock.com/Prolimatech_Genesis_Dual_Orangeline_Edition-5.htm,
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