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Hiya! biggrin.gif
I've built a few rigs for friends and family, but they were just basic every day machines. I did build my own rig, but it is completely air cooled, so when my friend asked me to make him a rig, I agreed thinking I could do it (which i pretty much can). The only think is, he wants it liquid cooled, which is an area I know little about. As far as what's actually being liquid cooled, its just an i5 2500k (will remain stock) and a GTX 680 reference PCB (will remain stock). His priority is cool temps and quiet sound and the case he wants is the Bitfenix Shinobi. I also need to be able to purchase ALL the parts from www.frozencpu.com . so here are my questions.

Will a 240mm rad in push pull with silent fans be enough to cool his components at stock speeds?
What would be a good pump that is silent but can still cool his components accurately?
I know nothing about fitting sizes and tube sizes, what do I need to know and look for to make sure the fittings and tubes will fit the water blocks and pump I go with?

Thanks ever so much for any help smile.gif
   
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Originally Posted by cre8ive65 View Post

Will a 240mm rad in push pull with silent fans be enough to cool his components at stock speeds?

At stock, provided he doesn't fold and his ambient temperatures are under control, yes a 240 will work.

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Originally Posted by cre8ive65 View Post

What would be a good pump that is silent but can still cool his components accurately?

There are lots of quiet pumps, the D5 (MCP655 or PMP-450) are supposed to be very quiet, the Jingway 600 (DCP 2.0) is pretty much inaudible when properly mounted. The XSPC X20 750, whilst weak, is also very quiet so long as you don't get a bad one (there have been recent quality issues).
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I know nothing about fitting sizes and tube sizes, what do I need to know and look for to make sure the fittings and tubes will fit the water blocks and pump I go with?

There is very little to no performance difference between the various tubing sizes. Pick one based on price and availability.

I would reccomend the thicker wall tubing as it is more resistant to kinking. That makes your choices:

ID x OD
3/8" x 5/8"
7/16" x 5/8"
1/2" x 3/4"

If you are using compression fittings you need to match both the ID and OD of the tubing to the fitting.

If you are using barb fittings you need to match the ID of the tubing to the fitting, and the OD of the tubing to the clamp.

The only real exception to this is if you use 7/16" tubing on 1/2" barbs - you need to heat it up to fit but you can run without clamps for a cleaner look.

Between compression and barb / clamps there is no performance or security differences, pick based on looks and price.



For your loop I would reccomend that you go for a Rasa 240 kit (RX if you have the space, RS if not) and add in a GPU block, two extra fittings and maybe change the tubing. This will fill your needs for a stock system whilst being cheap (~$300-350).

If your budget can stretch a bit look at the Raystorm kit. It is more expensive but comes with a better pump, a better block and compression fittings.

If you want to go further you can put together a custom loop - let us know if this is where you want to go and we can help you pick parts, however be warned; custom loops can get very expensive very quickly.
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The shinobi case wasn't really designed for watercooling and really has no space to mount a 240mm rad on the interior. You may want to look at the shinobi xl or something else. What is your build budget?
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Thanks! just for ballpark prince ranges, I put together this

CPU Block:
XSPC RayStorm HighPerformance Acetal

Rad:
Black Ice GT Stealth 240mm - Blue (I forgot to mention its a blue themed rig)

Pump:
Swiftech MCP655

GTX 680 Block:
XSPC Razor nVIDIA GTX 680 Full Coverage

Reservoir:
Bitspower 5.25 Bay Reservoir - Acrylic - UV Blue Seals

The total sofar is $375ish without fittings, tubes, or coolant. See any problems sofar?
   
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The shinobi case wasn't really designed for watercooling and really has no space to mount a 240mm rad on the interior. You may want to look at the shinobi xl or something else. What is your build budget?

Well I know that, but he wants me to make it as cheap as possible, and seeing as the shinobi has a 240mm mounting area (2 infact) i thought its good enough for what he wants, and is good for his budget

The rig with case before liquid cooling comes to around $1200, and after liquid it has to stay under 2k
   
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Actually i am interested in the Rasa RX240, is a Reservoir necessary?
   
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i am also new to water cooling and just set up my first loop this last week. i can tell you that the MCP-655 is a very quiet pump. i cant even hear it running over the other fans in my case. im not sure if the top make any difference on the noise, but i got a bitspower mod top on mine.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16077/ex-res-370/Bitspower_Dual_Single_D5_Top_Upgrade_Kit_150_-_Black_BP-D5TOPUK150P-BKBKCL.html?tl=g30c97s169

as mentioned above, if you get compression fitting, which look much better if you ask me, you have to match inside and outside diameter. i have a blue black and white theme to mine so i went with the primochill blue tubing 3/8" ID 5/8" OD and monsoon free center compression fittings with bitspower rotaries on the pump top due to spacing.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14940/ex-tub-1122/Monsoon_Free_Center_Compression_Fitting_-_38ID_x_58OD_-_Single_White_FCC-3858-1P-WH.html?tl=g30c409s1608

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10375/ex-tub-628/Bitspower_G14_Matte_Black_Rotary_45_Degree_G14_Adapter_BP-MB45R.html?tl=g30c497s1360

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12793/ex-tub-826/PrimoChill_PrimoFlex_PRO_LRT_Tubing_38_ID_58_OD_with_18_Wall_-_10ft_Retail_Pack_-_UV_Blue_PFLEXP10-58-B.html?tl=g30c99s1615


The 240 rad should work fine, but if his goal is to keep it quiet, you are going to want to run slow speed fans which means you will want a radiator that is mad for that. the black ice gts is a 30 fpi radiator, which will require it to have faster fans. if you want a good one that will still keep everything nice and cool but works better with slower fans, i would give the black ice sr1 a look, its a 9 fpi rad.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9431/ex-rad-162/Black_Ice_SR1_Low_Air_Flow_Optimized_-_240_Radiator_-_Black.html?tl=g30c95s160#blank

If he really want thats case and there isnt room to mount it inside, i would just go with a 360 rad vice the 240.
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Actually i am interested in the Rasa RX240, is a Reservoir necessary?

yes, you need to have one or your pump will be trying to push a lot of air.
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oh and dont forget some kind of anti microbial and a corrosion inhibitor. i used a silver kill coil and some royal purple coolant system additive thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by cre8ive65 View Post

Thanks! just for ballpark prince ranges, I put together this
CPU Block:
XSPC RayStorm HighPerformance Acetal
Rad:
Black Ice GT Stealth 240mm - Blue (I forgot to mention its a blue themed rig)
Pump:
Swiftech MCP655
GTX 680 Block:
XSPC Razor nVIDIA GTX 680 Full Coverage
Reservoir:
Bitspower 5.25 Bay Reservoir - Acrylic - UV Blue Seals
The total sofar is $375ish without fittings, tubes, or coolant. See any problems sofar?
might as well get a raystorm kit
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15402/ex-wat-207/XSPC_Raystorm_RX240_Extreme_Universal_CPU_Water_Cooling_Kit_w_RX240_Radiator_and_Free_Kill_Coil_Hot_item.html
279.00
then just get a gpu block and two barb.
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