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I've got a AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B45 Processor, it' sthe unlocked X2 545, running at 1.43v with NB of 1.25 to keep the ram stable (at 1600).

I can pass any ram/memory test, stress tests work fine too. I've ran prime for over 24hrs straight so I know this works well. I've got it at stock speeds, 3GHz, I can run it at ~1.45 @3.6GHz but don't due to seeing no point in the gain. I haven't had any hardware failures, crashes, no corruption, the only thing I ever dealt with in the last 3x or so years of doing this is 5 bad sectors in my 640G HDD. They weren't bad either, just corrupt, forced writes in linux and a new format later and it reports everything clean in SMART. I haven't checked it in a while but I'm sure it should be close to the same, I could do a quick check if anyone wants to see the info on it. It's a ASRock m3a770de motherboard, 3 hdds, two over 5 years old and still going strong (the third is the newish 640G). I'm running a GTX460, bios mod to increase voltage but can only do that in windows (due to lack of OC tools released in linux). I can't think of any other background history on the PC that should be relavent, BIOS is latest, that about sums it up.....

The problem is I keep getting MCEs, or minor kernel errors output to terminal through syslog. I've currently disabled syslog to keep the messages out, as they seem to happen randomly. Days go by, nothing happens, some days it's every seccond flooding my terminal. You can see why it's annoying. The thing is, they are all related to the CPU or the data bus. I haven't bothered to log them all, too lazy, though I wonder if this is related to my unlocked cores. My thoughts on this is that the cores require higher voltages, they don't require the 1.43v that I have. I can get away with the 1.425 (or whatever) and it runs fine stable there. 1.4v doesn't seem to work, so I figure if 1.42 is good I'll bump it up the one above just in case. I should also mention they only started happening with newer kernels, if I revert back to before 2.6.38 ( I believe?) they do not appear.

Now everything runs fine as I said, I was just wondering if there is a more elegant way of suppressing the messanges. I also have a concern about failing chipset (MB) or CPU, though it seems to run everything just fine with no crashing. I'll take the off chance that it'll fail sooner than later, I paid $80 for a quad core when they had just come out (C2 revision, I know it's a first model). My other thought on it was that it might be the IPC, since it has troubles with the RAM at 1600 and that's why I upped the NB to 1.25... Any thoughts on this? If it's failing slowly, I don't care, within a year I'll probably go AM3+ and get a Phenom II x6, I don't see the reason currently to buy a BD or anything else when games play accepably on this now. Maybe in 2-3 years, I just don't see games utalizing threads enough to say I need an x6 right now and a Phenom II x4 is still a nice chip.

Oh, I forgot, idle temps are generally at 32C max runs around ~50C.
Edited by mushroomboy - 6/29/12 at 4:13pm
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In debian I will get minor kernal issues if i try to connect a large number of things to my pc- say, my phone, tablet external drive a usb key + the normal keyboard and mouse. I will get a 'minor kernal failer' and normaly one device, normaly the phone, will disconnect and reconnect. It is odd however because its always the iphone, and i can have even more devices connected as long as one isnt the iphone. It seems to me as if some devices use a file transfer method that may be unstable, or require some kernal module that is in the non-free section and debian makes due with a less then perfect free one. What devices are connected when this happens? Any more then normal? I really have no idea what your problem is but this is just the only thing thats ever caused me minor kernal failers. I would suggest posting your problem here: http://forums.debian.net/ you much more likley to get help in a pure debian forum vs ocn with like 5 debian users.
    
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do you have amd cool and quiet on? I was having issues with my mobo/cpu on my home server with Cent OS 6 and turning that on fixed it. I would make sure all the features are enabled so the kernel can use them.

Honestly you should see if you can find the error, not just hide the messages.
 
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personally, i'd try bumping the CPU-NB voltage a little more - I have mine just above 1.3V (I have an Athlon II X3) - It may just stabilize it, especially since you're running Mem @ 1600. Also, have you tried dropping the memory frequency, and see if that solves it? I was having issues getting a 4Ghz OC, and someone told me to drop the RAM speed, as the Deneb memory controller gets flaky at 1600 and above (I was at 1666). Sure enough, RAM dropped to about 1430, and I got up to 4020Mhz (previously I could only get to 4005Mhz, and even then it wasn't too stable)

That's what I would try, slightly more CPU-NB, and try dropping your RAM speed, it might isolate your problem.

Good Luck!

L x
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I can't boot CnQ, unlocked Phenom IIs and CnQ tend not to get along. Generally you get a BSOD, so that's off. =P I'll try dropping ram to 1333, as I don't really think i need the 1600 so I'll see. I believe I can reproduce this in any distro, just only started after a certain kernel. I don't want to up voltage anymore, the unlocked cores already require 1.43, next is 1.45 and after that it gets insainly high (from my 1.35 stock) for air cooling.

[edit] I also believe I've ran 1.5v before, just to see, with no real good results.

Oh, and I would have posted this in the AMD CPU forum but it seems to only be localized in linux. I'm really wondering if they made something in the kernel more strict?

[edit2] Oh and I was a bit misleding above. If the bad cores go out, which is most likely what will happen, I don't really care. I'll just go back to it's stock X2 and run it OC'd from there. Right now I have a feeling that's related, the unlocked 2, just don't know why it appeared in the 3.0 kernels and not the pre-3.0 kernels. I think the last one that it didn't happen on was 2.6.32 so I'm just curious as to why it happens on every kernel after and hasn't gone away. I figured it was something they did that would later be fixed, apparently I was wrong. lol
Edited by mushroomboy - 7/4/12 at 5:25pm
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I run my chip at 1.5V but i do have an aftermerket cooler on it, and looking to go to watercooling. I did mean the CPU-NB voltage though, not your Vcore. I think it's fine where it is. It's the 1.25v you want to up - but not above 1.4V I think 1.3v - 1.325v would be more than enough. It wll increase your temps though, just like higher Vcore would, You may find dropping the RAM speed will help.

Best of luck.

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I run my chip at 1.5V but i do have an aftermerket cooler on it, and looking to go to watercooling. I did mean the CPU-NB voltage though, not your Vcore. I think it's fine where it is. It's the 1.25v you want to up - but not above 1.4V I think 1.3v - 1.325v would be more than enough. It wll increase your temps though, just like higher Vcore would, You may find dropping the RAM speed will help.
Best of luck.
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Oh man, I didn't think you could up NB that high. lol Nobody gives any real clues, I'll try that, thnx.

Errr, I believe I read 1.4 but I thought that was with nice cooling on it.

[edit] Up 1.35, we'll see how this works. If it indeed is a hardware problem with voltage I wonder why it's never given me errors with earlier kernels?

[update] NB didn't work, dropped to 1.3 and put CPU at 1.45, dropped ram to 1333 with CAS of 7/7/7/22 since it's now lower.
Edited by mushroomboy - 7/4/12 at 5:39pm
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Update, seems working. So now I've got to figure out if I can get the RAM higher. Hmm, well the software case seems closed so whatev. I'll get to the bottom of this.
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Oh man, I didn't think you could up NB that high. lol Nobody gives any real clues, I'll try that, thnx.
Errr, I believe I read 1.4 but I thought that was with nice cooling on it.
[edit] Up 1.35, we'll see how this works. If it indeed is a hardware problem with voltage I wonder why it's never given me errors with earlier kernels?
[update] NB didn't work, dropped to 1.3 and put CPU at 1.45, dropped ram to 1333 with CAS of 7/7/7/22 since it's now lower.

You can run the CPU-NB up to 1.4V, But like you said, you need a decent cooler - so keep an eye on your temps. Also the other rule seems to be NEVER have the CPU-NB higher than the CPU-Vcore. I wouldn't think you'd need the CPU-NB as high as 1.35V, I think 1.325V would be more than enough.

Also just change one setting at a time. don't modify speeds and both voltages all together, cos then you don't know what setting actually solved your problem. Also if your RAM works ok at 1333, you could try it back at 1600, but with looser timings. You'd have to bench it though to see which setting is better. the 1333 with tighter timings may actually be faster.

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You can run the CPU-NB up to 1.4V, But like you said, you need a decent cooler - so keep an eye on your temps. Also the other rule seems to be NEVER have the CPU-NB higher than the CPU-Vcore. I wouldn't think you'd need the CPU-NB as high as 1.35V, I think 1.325V would be more than enough.
Also just change one setting at a time. don't modify speeds and both voltages all together, cos then you don't know what setting actually solved your problem. Also if your RAM works ok at 1333, you could try it back at 1600, but with looser timings. You'd have to bench it though to see which setting is better. the 1333 with tighter timings may actually be faster.
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I kind of figured the voltages wouldn't have fixed it, cause I believe I've had them high before. this was when I was tryng to unlock and overclock to 4GHz, I've since given up on that dream. [edit] I don't exactly remember what I messed with back then, all I have memorized are the numbers that now work. Which was 1.25, 1.43, and the FSB/RAM speeds. lol I could get 3.6, but I don't really see any reason to run the voltages so high for a 600MHz OC. If I remember correctly, vcore had to be like 1.5 or some crap and this is on AIR lol
Edited by mushroomboy - 7/5/12 at 3:45pm
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