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7/2/12 at 4:47pm
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Do you have any evidence that a perfect vacuum can be created? Ignoring the impossibility of it in quantum theory, I have never heard about a feasible way to create a perfect vacuum.

Creating a perfect vacuum is slightly irrelevant to the corresponding argument, more so to the OP. Near perfect vacuums have been created, to the point of trillionths of space. The evidence is provided via textbooks and textbooks of even simple high school physics experiments and dogma present in every collegiate textbook. A more tangible example of evidence would be the large hadron collider, with vacuum pipes to the quality of synthesizing new isotopes. Now, referring back to the original statement, impossibility is an incorrect term. What you mean to say is improbability, because the likelihood of an event does not support the impossibility. thumb.gif
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7/2/12 at 4:52pm
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Hard Drives work off of magnetism so no, I cant see how the drive being full would have anything to do with its weight.

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7/2/12 at 4:57pm
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Hard Drives work off of magnetism so no, I cant see how the drive being full would have anything to do with its weight.

Well, generally when something is "full", it weighs more. Thanks for all the answers guys.
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7/2/12 at 5:27pm
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Creating a perfect vacuum is slightly irrelevant to the corresponding argument, more so to the OP. Near perfect vacuums have been created, to the point of trillionths of space. The evidence is provided via textbooks and textbooks of even simple high school physics experiments and dogma present in every collegiate textbook. A more tangible example of evidence would be the large hadron collider, with vacuum pipes to the quality of synthesizing new isotopes. Now, referring back to the original statement, impossibility is an incorrect term. What you mean to say is improbability, because the likelihood of an event does not support the impossibility. thumb.gif
Well, it is theoretically possible for a space to exist with with no particles in it at some point; however, I would not call that a vacuum, as there is a probability of particles existing in it. In quantum theory, when a particle experiences an energy wall, it will have a probability of existing beyond the wall, unless the wall is of infinite energy. I was arguing how a closed system does not exist, as a near perfect vacuum is still not a closed system. Also, it would depend what you require a vacuum to be devoid of; it would be impossible to create a vacuum devoid of virtual particles, unless you use magic.
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7/2/12 at 6:13pm
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Well, it is theoretically possible for a space to exist with with no particles in it at some point; however, I would not call that a vacuum, as there is a probability of particles existing in it. In quantum theory, when a particle experiences an energy wall, it will have a probability of existing beyond the wall, unless the wall is of infinite energy. I was arguing how a closed system does not exist, as a near perfect vacuum is still not a closed system. Also, it would depend what you require a vacuum to be devoid of; it would be impossible to create a vacuum devoid of virtual particles, unless you use magic.

Ironically, theoretical indirect evidence for a perfect vacuum is absolute zero.This is where zero entropy exist for zero heat output of a system. What you are relating to in quantum theory, however true, doesn't really have much relevance to the original question. Polarity and physical properties/activation energies is a closer answer to this question, and within a practical stand point(within standard measuring deviations), no mass is gained.
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Well, generally when something is "full", it weighs more. Thanks for all the answers guys.
Perhaps if our OP would have added,"that I can measure at home" this thread would have not been so interesting.We see there is a place for an incomplete question.Or is clear our OP realises that any change (even if I just give in and say "yes when full it is heavier") could not be measured with any device he could get his hands on?
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7/2/12 at 6:30pm
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Actually, yes. Sounds pretty unbelievable, but it weights a very unimaginably small amount more.
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Interesting stuff.


That was pretty cool - and led me to think of this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDA1HUmuuJo

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That was pretty cool - and led me to think of this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDA1HUmuuJo
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7/2/12 at 6:46pm
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Ironically, theoretical indirect evidence for a perfect vacuum is absolute zero.This is where zero entropy exist for zero heat output of a system. What you are relating to in quantum theory, however true, doesn't really have much relevance to the original question. Polarity and physical properties/activation energies is a closer answer to this question, and within a practical stand point(within standard measuring deviations), no mass is gained.
I only remember that you said something about a closed system, and I decided to say that closed systems don't exist. Also; absolute zero is impossible due to the uncertainty principle. lol quantum physics can be used to argue anything.
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7/2/12 at 7:33pm
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I only remember that you said something about a closed system, and I decided to say that closed systems don't exist. Also; absolute zero is impossible due to the uncertainty principle. lol quantum physics can be used to argue anything.

What? Absolute zero is not impossible due the uncertainty principle; the uncertainty principle is largely unrelated to absolute zero in this context because it dictates that only either location or velocity/momentum can be known at a particular moment....lol at quantum physics...tongue.gif
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