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post #31 of 164
6/30/12 at 10:04pm
It's one of those DUH moments. What do you think would happen when you put a screen that dense on a graphics impaired machine?? And really, who needs that much density on a freaking laptop? They need to put it into massive screen sizes!
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6/30/12 at 10:58pm
Apple should've kept the old thickness IMO and crammed a 7870M or similar in there.
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6/30/12 at 11:10pm
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I'm not sure people really understood the real gem here. The classic MBP with Ivy is a beast. Get that instead until they iron out the rMBP issues.

QFT, I got mine in a week ago and it is a monster of a laptop. I hook it up to my Catleap and its the perfect work set up, plus I can change out the HDD and RAM... The dual core version of the Ivy MBP is as fast as the quad core iMacs.
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every apple computer ever has been targeted at photographers and video editors, ipads also.
but i SERIOUSLY doubt these people go to an apple store and say oh, this isn't HD enough for me to edit photos on. hahah.
and if those were the only people that purchased macs, apple would be dead broke. You could put the ipad 2 and the new ipad, the iphone 4 and the 4s, the old mbp ad the new one infront of anyone in the world and probably 90% wouldn't say the thing different is the resolution.

Those types of people don't use the default display to work on either... All the graphics artists and developers I know have a 27" monitor or multiple 24" monitors to do major work on.
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6/30/12 at 11:28pm
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Never thought facebook was a performance benchmark. lachen.gif

Well, part of the problem might just be the massive upscale when in any mode but 1800p. Why render @ 2400p when the goal is 1200p?

and why, oh why, is a tech source using the "1680 and 1920" options instead of 1050p and 1200p.

This is a non-issue and should be expected for the hardware contained.
Why? That way it looks crisp still. If they render at 1920x1200 (with standard scaling) it's going to be blurry at full screen, but if they render at 3840x2400 (with double scaling) and then downscale to fit the screen, it's going to be very sharp.
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You know the speed difference is negligible, right? I'm not saying that to compete by any means, the rMBP was only slightly overclocked to handle some of the GUI elements better (when the 650 actually kicks in).

EDIT: Here are the cMBP specs:

650m - 1GB
810 Core
1000 Mem
810 Shader

The rMBP is only slightly higher.
I was told, though I'm not sure if it's accurate or not, that the RMBP has 900 core and 1275MHz on memory.
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QFT, I got mine in a week ago and it is a monster of a laptop. I hook it up to my Catleap and its the perfect work set up, plus I can change out the HDD and RAM... The dual core version of the Ivy MBP is as fast as the quad core iMacs.
The dual-core MBP (which has HT) might be as fast as the base quad-core i5 iMac, but it won't touch the i7 models.
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6/30/12 at 11:38pm
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The brain is a TERRIBLE gpu. It cant handle much more than 20FPS while keeping the image sharp (yes, you'll notice an smoothness difference, but it blurs), it fills in just about everything, it blurs everything outside of about 2degrees from center..... its just... awful. Lulz.
Really though, who's surprised. Mid-range GPU on a MASSIVE rez screen. its going to have issues.

headscratch.gif

everyone's eyes are different ( I wear glasses, but I have no idea what you're talking about), and adrenaline will help increase the "fps" we percieve when we are in danger... so yea... it's not really possible to attribute an "FPS" number to our perception.

We percieve massive resolutions too. headscratch.gif

Low-end gpu biggrin.gif, if the iGPU be used by most of the time when off the plug.
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You would need a desktop GTX470 to max JC2 or mafia 2 at fullHD with constant playable framerates, not to mention the native res of the retina MBP. So no, it wont be maxing those games.

I can't max out JC2 @ 1080p. Come close, but not all the way.
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Apple should've kept the old thickness IMO and crammed a 7870M or similar in there.

That would've been much better and then this would look more appealing because of the upgradability/repairs. It should also be a screen option for the normal.
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Why? That way it looks crisp still. If they render at 1920x1200 (with standard scaling) it's going to be blurry at full screen, but if they render at 3840x2400 (with double scaling) and then downscale to fit the screen, it's going to be very sharp.
I was told, though I'm not sure if it's accurate or not, that the RMBP has 900 core and 1275MHz on memory.
The dual-core MBP (which has HT) might be as fast as the base quad-core i5 iMac, but it won't touch the i7 models.

I don't understand why it would to need to render twice to show the same aspect ration down-scaled. I just had to look up the aspect ratio (16:9?), render it once, downscale to 1080p absolutely needed. I'm tired and having problems thinking through this, but with so many pixels to use for the scaling it shouldn't have a problem .

I'd have always stuck to aspect rations of the screen and things have been clear all the way down to 720p. Granted, the only screen I've seen over 1080p is the ipad, and that didn't look any clearer than the previous version at a cursory glance IMHO (didn't get to use it for splashtop purposes frown.gif).
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7/1/12 at 12:35am
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I don't understand why it would to need to render twice to show the same aspect ration down-scaled. I just had to look up the aspect ratio (16:9?), render it once, downscale to 1080p absolutely needed. I'm tired and having problems thinking through this, but with so many pixels to use for the scaling it shouldn't have a problem .

I'd have always stuck to aspect rations of the screen and things have been clear all the way down to 720p. Granted, the only screen I've seen over 1080p is the ipad, and that didn't look any clearer than the previous version at a cursory glance IMHO (didn't get to use it for splashtop purposes frown.gif).
All right... I'm going to have to get detailed here tongue.gif

The rMBP has a 2880x1800 resolution 16:10 panel. When the 1440x900 workspace ("Best for Retina") option is selected the scaling factor is changed from one, to two, which means that one point is represented by two pixels. For example, the 1440x22 point menu bar on an sMBP at the top of the screen is rendered at 2880x44 on the rMBP, which is why if you compare it to the menu bar on a sMBP it looks exactly the same physical size. In short, it's maintaining the physical size of the UI but rendering it over more pixels, which produces more detail. It's the same process for apps, as long as they support the scaling (else they're just upscaled / stretched) though of course higher resolution assets such as images and video are required for those to appear sharper.

When you select the 1920x1200 workspace it goes through the same process: rendering at 3840x2400 with a scaling factor of two, but then it downscales it to fit the 1800p panel. If they were to render at 1920x1200 with a scaling factor of one, as is normally done, then it would be stretching lower resolution content to fit a larger panel, rather than downscaling higher resolution content to fit a smaller panel.
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7/1/12 at 3:04am
Size aside.why apple didnt use the upcoming 3840x2160 quad hd standard instead of trying to reinvent the wheel gees?yes it would have been bigger a bit! So?
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7/1/12 at 3:04am
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You would need a desktop GTX470 to max JC2 or mafia 2 at fullHD with constant playable framerates, not to mention the native res of the retina MBP. So no, it wont be maxing those games.

Well, with no AA and everything else at highest, I was able to complete two missions in each game. I wasn't getting smooth 60fps, but a playable 30-20fps.

By maxing, I meant the image setting was at highest (except for AA - since you wouldn't need it at such a high PPI) and the game was playable.

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I was told, though I'm not sure if it's accurate or not, that the RMBP has 900 core and 1275MHz on memory.

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7/1/12 at 3:25am
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Well, with no AA and everything else at highest, I was able to complete two missions in each game. I wasn't getting smooth 60fps, but a playable 20fps.

20fps.

The new 60fps. This changes everything again.
Edited by Kand - 7/1/12 at 3:30am
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7/1/12 at 3:30am
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20fps.

So you don't think that a laptop getting 20-30fps in new games (with maxed settings at an unbelievable resolution) is impressive?
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