Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [WSJ] Microsoft to take $6.2 Billion Loss for Ad Business
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[WSJ] Microsoft to take $6.2 Billion Loss for Ad Business - Page 3

post #21 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by guitarmageddon88 View Post

Internet ads are a loser...period. People dont click on banner ads and many people have them disabled. People know theyre a gimmick that leads you to a webpage to a webpage to a webpage. Facebook came out with the same thing a few months back at how much money they lost in advertising this year.


450


you know nothing
post #22 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

So this is why they require you to use bing in wm8, despite the fact it is crap. Microsoft is the past, they can appeal to their support with business users because of their support for legacy stuff, but this same support is what makes them outdated and inneficient for consumers. They can continue to succeed with their support for business, but businesses dont updlate that much, which is bad news for ms. Maybe ms should switch to a subscription model for businesses lol
Quote:
Microsoft is the past

are you nuts?
in what sense are you talking about...

this is microsoft..this is the largest tech/software empire that dominates the whole tech field..

microsoft is gonna stay with us until the whole country collapses
post #23 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipze View Post

Quote:
Microsoft is the past
are you nuts?
in what sense are you talking about...
this is microsoft..this is the largest tech/software empire that dominates the whole tech field..
microsoft is gonna stay with us until the whole country collapses

the dominate the desktop os business [stop]
charizard
(8 items)
 
  
OSOSMonitorMonitor
osx mountain lion windows 7 SAMSUNG 15" retina Asus VS248H-P 24" 
KeyboardMouseAudioAudio
apple bluetooth wireless keyboard logitech g5 etymotic mc5 audioengine a2 
  hide details  
Reply
charizard
(8 items)
 
  
OSOSMonitorMonitor
osx mountain lion windows 7 SAMSUNG 15" retina Asus VS248H-P 24" 
KeyboardMouseAudioAudio
apple bluetooth wireless keyboard logitech g5 etymotic mc5 audioengine a2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #24 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

What Microsoft failed to realize with Bing was the same Google failed to realize with their attempt at a social network: there is a window of opportunity to get into the market and be successful, and both these companies failed to get into the market at the right time.
Microsoft tried getting into the search business when we had already had the first pioneers like Altavista and Yahoo give way to Google, and once Google did things in a better way, it established itself as the dominant force; the same can be said about social networks, the pioneers gave way to Facebook, which did things in a better way and after that it's much harder to succeed exactly when these companies are at their best, and it was exactly at this point in time when Microsoft with Bing and Google with their social network tried to enter the market. You either get in it after the first pioneers are running out of ideas or else you'll have to wait until the dominant forces start losing traction.
Also, one other thing to bear in mind is the fact that people don't like to put all the eggs in the same basket, which is to say, they don't like to share too much of their information with fewer companies, even if you end up sharing more than you want or realize, this is basic human behaviour, you are less likely to give more of your information to a company that already handles a lot of your data, if you can chose an alternative, you will.

Contrary to popular belief timing isn't everything. The reason Microsoft has not acheived the success they have wanted to with Bing is that it is not a competitive product. The page is very busy and distracting compared to Google's search page and Google already has a ton of users hanging around using their other services, like Gmail.

Microsoft or anyone else could supplant Google. They would have to offer a better and more compelling service and know how to market it.
Black Velvet:
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k Intel DZ68BC 6950 Flashed to 6970 Corsair Vengence 16GB DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256gb Troqx M28, 2x2TB RAID1, 1TB WD Black Liteon 24X DL Burner Windows 7 Pro 64-bit Dell 3007wfp-hc 30"/Catleap Q270/Dell 2007fp S-... 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
QuickFire Cherry Blue Antec Neo-link 1200watt CoolerMaster HAF 932 Logitech G5 
Mouse PadAudio
Destructer Xonar D1 
  hide details  
Reply
Black Velvet:
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k Intel DZ68BC 6950 Flashed to 6970 Corsair Vengence 16GB DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256gb Troqx M28, 2x2TB RAID1, 1TB WD Black Liteon 24X DL Burner Windows 7 Pro 64-bit Dell 3007wfp-hc 30"/Catleap Q270/Dell 2007fp S-... 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
QuickFire Cherry Blue Antec Neo-link 1200watt CoolerMaster HAF 932 Logitech G5 
Mouse PadAudio
Destructer Xonar D1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

the dominate the desktop os business [stop]


http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/sitemap.aspx


dont talk
post #26 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by StormProtocol View Post

I do believe the phrase is "Google it", not "Bing it".
This might be Microsoft's problem

Honestly they would've been better off buying Yahoo. Damn knuckleheads
Predator
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2500k 3.8Ghz MSI Z68A-GD65 (3)  Gigabyte GTX 670 OC  G.SKILL Sniper 16GB  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
ADATA S510 120GB  Thermalright HR-02  Windows Seven x64 LG 47LK520  
PowerCase
In Win Commander 750W NZXT: White Phantom Case 
  hide details  
Reply
Predator
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2500k 3.8Ghz MSI Z68A-GD65 (3)  Gigabyte GTX 670 OC  G.SKILL Sniper 16GB  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
ADATA S510 120GB  Thermalright HR-02  Windows Seven x64 LG 47LK520  
PowerCase
In Win Commander 750W NZXT: White Phantom Case 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by StormProtocol View Post

I do believe the phrase is "Google it", not "Bing it".
This might be Microsoft's problem
Tenshi
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570k ASRock z77 Extreme 4 MSI GTX 670 Power Edition Samsung 2x4 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Black 1TB Crucial M4 128GB Samsung  H100 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Catleap Q270 CM Storm Trigger w/ MX Browns Corsair HX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 - White Razer Deathadder: Black Edition Razer Goliathus: FRAGGED Edition Astro A40 w/ Mixamp 
Audio
Asus Xonar DX 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
Tenshi
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570k ASRock z77 Extreme 4 MSI GTX 670 Power Edition Samsung 2x4 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Black 1TB Crucial M4 128GB Samsung  H100 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Catleap Q270 CM Storm Trigger w/ MX Browns Corsair HX750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 - White Razer Deathadder: Black Edition Razer Goliathus: FRAGGED Edition Astro A40 w/ Mixamp 
Audio
Asus Xonar DX 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 33
This article is sensationalist muckraking, concocted to appeal to ignorant readers, or should I say, ignorant people who fail to read.

This is a Goodwill charge off and is not the same as loosing that sum of money.

From Wiki:
Quote:
Goodwill is an accounting concept meaning the value of an entity over and above the value of its assets.

This is just an adjustment of value based on current market conditions which couldn't have been predicted five years ago.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

What Microsoft failed to realize with Bing was the same Google failed to realize with their attempt at a social network: there is a window of opportunity to get into the market and be successful, and both these companies failed to get into the market at the right time.
Microsoft tried getting into the search business when we had already had the first pioneers like Altavista and Yahoo give way to Google, and once Google did things in a better way, it established itself as the dominant force; the same can be said about social networks, the pioneers gave way to Facebook, which did things in a better way and after that it's much harder to succeed exactly when these companies are at their best, and it was exactly at this point in time when Microsoft with Bing and Google with their social network tried to enter the market. You either get in it after the first pioneers are running out of ideas or else you'll have to wait until the dominant forces start losing traction.
Also, one other thing to bear in mind is the fact that people don't like to put all the eggs in the same basket, which is to say, they don't like to share too much of their information with fewer companies, even if you end up sharing more than you want or realize, this is basic human behaviour, you are less likely to give more of your information to a company that already handles a lot of your data, if you can chose an alternative, you will.

Except Bing is successful... Its the 2nd largest web search engine despite only existing for a fraction of the time as its other competitors. What arbitrary measure of success do you appeal to? It certainly doesn't align with mine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

So this is why they require you to use bing in wm8, despite the fact it is crap. Microsoft is the past, they can appeal to their support with business users because of their support for legacy stuff, but this same support is what makes them outdated and inneficient for consumers. They can continue to succeed with their support for business, but businesses dont updlate that much, which is bad news for ms. Maybe ms should switch to a subscription model for businesses lol


I use Bing over Google for everything. Some publications put Bing's accuracy over Google and not to mention Bing's integration with Nokia maps which is superior to Google Maps in international countries.

I've also gotten $20 in free Xbox Live games just by searching.
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipze View Post

450
you know nothing

If you're comparing the revenue generated by companies like Google and such by HOSTING ads, to the money the companies that post the ad actually make in the end as a RESULT of having the ad, that's two different things. Im not denying that the ad-hosters are making a lot of money, just the usefulness of them on the business's end whom post them.
post #30 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by StormProtocol View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by noak View Post

To people using adblock, I agree with you to a certain extent. There is a difference between intrusive ads and normal placed banner ads. I have my ad block designed to stop pop-ups and full page ads, but are a few ads on a webpage helping the website admin make money really that big of a deal? Would you rather see a few ads a month or pay $xx.xx for overclock.net per month.


You make a good point, but seeing as though they aren't making money unless you click the ad, and i only click them by mistake anyway, i really dont see a point in keeping ANY ads enabled. Whats the point?

If there were ads that paid the webmasters whether you clicked or not (per page load?), well that i would be in favor of enabling(if i feel like supporting the site), but all these pay per click ads, whats the point if i'm not clicking anyway?
Those do exist and are on most small websites.

Overclock.net is one of them

Advertisers pay for impressions or clicks

Turning on adblock takes away from impressions advertisers are paying for, and if ads do bad, people will stop paying OCN for ads
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Technology and Science News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [WSJ] Microsoft to take $6.2 Billion Loss for Ad Business