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post #71 of 198
7/5/12 at 8:27am
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If an 8150 can compete easily with an i5 2500k, how is it bottlenecking 6950s\7970s???
An i5 2500k wouldnt be a bottleneck for a 6950/7970 certainly.

It cannot "easily" compete with a 2500k in gaming. In multithreaded apps, sure, but gaming no.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/03/amd_fx8150_multigpu_gameplay_performance_review/4

Notice one review is @ 1080p on a single gpu and the other is surround res with tri-sli. Both show bottlenecks for gaming. And there are also overclocked benchmarks of bulldozer on the tomshardware link and even at 4.5ghz they fall under the stock i5-2400.

This is why AMD needs to improve single threaded performance because they are falling behind in gaming and most apps because most apps are not coded to use 8 cores.
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7/5/12 at 8:28am
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Didn't AMD already give a statement that they have given up competing on the high end with Intel? So I don't see how this chip will come close to taking on a quad i7, possibly an i5 in HEAVILY mulithreaded apps.

I thought they said they were stopping with the competition for extreme edition cards, like high end i7's? Anyway, Its going to be cheaper then an i7 so why compare. i5's is what its competing with price wise.
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7/5/12 at 8:29am
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If an 8150 can compete easily with an i5 2500k, how is it bottlenecking 6950s\7970s???
An i5 2500k wouldnt be a bottleneck for a 6950/7970 certainly.

The games dont support multithread. So the 8150 doesnt have any advantage over 2500k. For example skyrim use only 2 cores and because 2500k have higher performance per core 8150 gets pwned in games that dont support 6/8cores. Bf3 multiplayer support 8 cores and the performance is not so bad. Also the bottleneck in multi-gpu setups is for the same reason. Low performance per core. They dont have the power to support multigpu setups even tho they are 8 cores.
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post #74 of 198
7/5/12 at 8:30am
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AMD already launched there 2nd gen APU Trinity.
Intel is on their 3rd gen APU with IB.... but their APU integration is a lot less complex as AMD.

Ah, Ok, same difference though....
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7/5/12 at 8:34am
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I thought they said they were stopping with the competition for extreme edition cards, like high end i7's? Anyway, Its going to be cheaper then an i7 so why compare. i5's is what its competing with price wise.

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The original price of the 8150 was the same price as the low end i7's was it not? So if these chips are going to be better than bulldozer, I would see them coming to market at around the same price as the low end i7's.
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7/5/12 at 8:35am
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The games dont support multithread. So the 8150 doesnt have any advantage over 2500k. For example skyrim use only 2 cores and because 2500k have higher performance per core 8150 gets pwned in games that dont support 6/8cores. Bf3 multiplayer support 8 cores and the performance is not so bad. Also the bottleneck in multi-gpu setups is for the same reason. Low performance per core. They dont have the power to support multigpu setups even tho they are 8 cores.

Yup. As someone who's PC only really works hard when I'm playing a game single-threaded performance is really important. That's why Intel's unlocked I5's have been such a huge hit with gamers. The per core performance is basically as fast as it gets and no games really take advantage of more then four cores in a meaningful way.

Now there are some games that can scale up to 8 threads but even with these titles the load is heaviest on one core and the rest of it is spread extremely lightly. I'm not a programmer but I read on altdevblog that games are extremely hard to program heavily multi-threaded. It's easy to move some systems off the main thread but the vast majority of the work is done on one or two threads at most. It makes sense to when you're encoding or doing something else like that each core is basically taking a piece and doing the exact same thing..games just aren't built that way.
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7/5/12 at 8:40am
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It cannot "easily" compete with a 2500k in gaming. In multithreaded apps, sure, but gaming no.
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But in those reviews the 8150 it clocked lower. Obviously is performs worse. If anything, the 8150 should be clocked HIGHER, as it can overclock better. (I think anyway)
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7/5/12 at 8:40am
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Yup. As someone who's PC only really works hard when I'm playing a game single-threaded performance is really important. That's why Intel's unlocked I5's have been such a huge hit with gamers. The per core performance is basically as fast as it gets and no games really take advantage of more then four cores in a meaningful way.
Now there are some games that can scale up to 8 threads but even with these titles the load is heaviest on one core and the rest of it is spread extremely lightly. I'm not a programmer but I read on altdevblog that games are extremely hard to program heavily multi-threaded. It's easy to move some systems off the main thread but the vast majority of the work is done on one or two threads at most. It makes sense to when you're encoding or doing something else like that each core is basically taking a piece and doing the exact same thing..games just aren't built that way.

The easiest way to see the perfomance per core is-> Wow dark soul raid ultraxion 25 man. The cpus get pwned and the i5/7 is way better in terms of performance than any amd offers in mmorpg. When i play from my amd setup i will even drop at 5 fps. tongue.gif
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7/5/12 at 8:41am
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The easiest way to see the perfomance per core is-> Wow dark soul raid ultraxion 25 man. The cpus get pwned and the i5/7 is way better in terms of performance than any amd offers in mmorpg. When i play from my amd setup i will even drop at 5 fps. tongue.gif

Skyrim especially in cities is another good way to see it. SC2 with huge battles is as well.
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7/5/12 at 8:43am
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But in those reviews the 8150 it clocked lower. Obviously is performs worse. If anything, the 8150 should be clocked HIGHER, as it can overclock better. (I think anyway)

First of all in the surround review it is in surround resolution so you would think it would put all the strain on the gpu. And 200mhz isn't going to make a difference....4.6ghz to 4.8ghz. 200mhz isn't going to increase performance by 50%+ in some of those games.

And in the other review @ 1080p if you CLICK THE LINK there are some overclocked benchmarks of the 8120 @ 4.5ghz getting beat by the i5-2400 which cannot even be overclocked.
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