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What will you buy? AMD was the last consumer holdout.

I'm assuming this won't be on their FX series for a long time.

Once it is, I'll go full rms and refuse to own anything other than a Lemote.
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Bulldozer, Steamroller,... Forklift?
Excavator, actually.
Unless you're making some joke that went clear over my head.
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post #33 of 68
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Very interesting, but I highly doubt that a 384-core Radeon part on an APU will be able to match a 7750. The 7750 is also 28nm, but it has nearly double the cores at its disposal and a TDP of around 70-watts.
If they can pull this off, they may very well rewrite the book on APU performance, but I am just a tad skeptical.

384 8000 series GCN cores compared to 512 7000 series GCN cores. I see no reason why the performance wont be close.

Hell, even if it doesn't perform as well that will still be some sick integrated graphics. A 7750 can play any game easily so there should be no reason why 384 cores of 8000 series GCN arch wont be able to either.

double 384 is 768 and 768 is no where near 512. I think you are a little confused on your multiplication. Also Kaveri will be at 28nm. On top of that the 7000 series GCN is 1st generation so there is no telling what a revised 2nd gen GCN arch is capable of. I see no reason to think that AMD isnt capable of getting Kaveri GPU to the performance of a 7750.


Also Kaveri to support 2133MHz RAM and CPU/GPU have full access to system RAM, I am looking forward to seeing what this thing is capable of.
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I'm assuming this won't be on their FX series for a long time.
Once it is, I'll go full rms and refuse to own anything other than a Lemote.




FX series is over after Vishera. There are no plans for FX after Piledriver.
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Sounds interesting... except for the TrustZone part. The idea of ARM running a proprietary mini-OS on my PC that I can't remove and that tells me what I can and cannot run doesn't suit my taste.
While Ken Thompson argued quite well in 1984 that trusted computing is impossible in the famous paper Reflections on Trusting Trust (warning: PDF), I don't want to be forced to trust such an arrangement to work in my favour.

Where are you getting this information? Who said anything about the ARM chip keeping you from running anything? I would like to know where you heard this from.
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Also Kaveri will be at 28nm. On top of that the 7000 series GCN is 1st generation so there is no telling what a revised 2nd gen GCN arch is capable of.
Er, I highly doubt Kaveri's GCN cores will be meaningfully revised.
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384 8000 series GCN cores compared to 512 7000 series GCN cores. I see no reason why the performance wont be close..

Every APU they've released has always had a GPU that was based on the previous gen's architecture.

Llano - VLIW5 (HD 5000 series)
Trinity - VLIW4 (yes, the 7660G cores are based on the 6800/6900 series architecture)

Probably going to be based on GCN, not the 8000 series cores.
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Er, I highly doubt Kaveri's GCN cores will be meaningfully revised.

I see no reason why they wouldn't be seeing that the 8000 series will be out at least 6 months before Kaveri.

Whether they are or not they are going to be the best integrated graphics by far. Being able to play any game at any resolution with decent details at decent frame rates is awesome in my book and I would be surprised if anyone thought otherwise.

If you do, which it seems that you are, then it's obvious you are biased.
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I see no reason why they wouldn't be seeing that the 8000 series will be out at least 6 months before Kaveri.
Whether they are or not they are going to be the best integrated graphics by far. Being able to play any game at any resolution with decent details at decent frame rates is awesome in my book and I would be surprised if anyone thought otherwise.
If you do, which it seems that you are, then it's obvious you are biased.
By that logic, Trinity would have featured GCN. You've also made quite the straw man there.
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By that logic, Trinity would have featured GCN. You've also made quite the straw man there.

No because Trinity was to be released a while ago. Also, Trinity has been done for a while. The reason for the delay is because of the increase in sales of Llano. It's been delayed several times. It was initially supposed to be out by March this year.

Kaveri is to be out H2 2013. That's if there are no delays. 8000 series is to be released Q4 2012/Q1 2013.

Don't know what you mean by straw man....
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Bulldozer, Steamroller,... Forklift?

Haha. smile.gif

But on a serious note, it's Excavator. Not sure where they're going after that.
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Sounds interesting... except for the TrustZone part. The idea of ARM running a proprietary mini-OS on my PC that I can't remove and that tells me what I can and cannot run doesn't suit my taste.
While Ken Thompson argued quite well in 1984 that trusted computing is impossible in the famous paper Reflections on Trusting Trust (warning: PDF), I don't want to be forced to trust such an arrangement to work in my favour.

Hopefully nobody can take advantage of the mini-OS to violate our privacy. If nothing happens, I'd be fine with it.
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Excavator, actually.
Unless you're making some joke that went clear over my head.

I think that was supposed to be a joke. I don't know. I have horrible interpretation skills.
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No because Trinity was to be released a while ago. Also, Trinity has been done for a while. The reason for the delay is because of the increase in sales of Llano. It's been delayed several times. It was initially supposed to be out by March this year.
Kaveri is to be out H2 2013. That's if there are no delays. 8000 series is to be released Q4 2012/Q1 2013.
The current slides from AMD state that Kaveri will have Graphics Core Next. Who's to say Kaveri won't be delayed for similar reasons?
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