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When you send mail, the sender buys the postage stamp, that's what covers the Postal Service fees.
Right now, there is no postage stamp, so companies, like Netflix (which uses 40% of the entire internet bandwidth) use fiber laid down by other companies, and charge the customer for their services. No where in that charge though does that money go back to the company that laid down that fiber. Companies that lay down the fiber get screwed because they can't charge netflix for using soo much of their bandwidth, instead, they have to spend millions of dollars are massive Cmts's (routers/hubs/switches) around the nation to uphold all these streaming services....

We pay the ISPs for internet access... We can use it however we wish within the law.
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In the end the consumer will lose. Period.

Consumer of what? This is nothing more than should people/companies who pay more get better servers/bandwidth or not. Nothing to do with buying anything or their actual services, just if Google's bandwidth should be equal to Billy Bob down the street who just opened up a website, which I personally think is a ridiculously stupid idea. You pay more for better PC harware, you pay more for faster download speeds, you pay more for premium services and the internet shouldn't be any different. If anything, this is mainly do you want to make it easier for small companies to be noticed online when matched against companies like Google, Microsoft and etc or do you want ISP costs to rise past the already high prices for mobile data and router access.

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Net neutrality is important. Otherwise internet providers, etc can provide better access to their own service (or partner companies) and block or hinder access to the competition. Removing it will most assuredly be harmful to the consumer. The interests of corporations have to stop being put ahead of the interests of the population. If this topic isn't already too political for this forum, it soon will be.
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Consumer of what? This is nothing more than should people/companies who pay more get better servers/bandwidth or not. Nothing to do with buying anything or their actual services, just if Google's bandwidth should be equal to Billy Bob down the street who just opened up a website, which I personally think is a ridiculously stupid idea. You pay more for better PC harware, you pay more for faster download speeds, you pay more for premium services and the internet shouldn't be any different. If anything, this is mainly do you want to make it easier for small companies to be noticed online when matched against companies like Google, Microsoft and etc or do you want ISP costs to rise past the already high prices for mobile data and router access.

Not sure if you are understanding the reasoning behind the laws. ISP's should not be able to decide which company's service you are allowed access to. They can charge you for bandwidth you use, but that would be equal no matter what site you are downloading from. They can't charge more for, or restrict access to, a competitor's website, company, service, etc.
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Consumer of what? This is nothing more than should people/companies who pay more get better servers/bandwidth or not. Nothing to do with buying anything or their actual services, just if Google's bandwidth should be equal to Billy Bob down the street who just opened up a website, which I personally think is a ridiculously stupid idea. You pay more for better PC harware, you pay more for faster download speeds, you pay more for premium services and the internet shouldn't be any different. If anything, this is mainly do you want to make it easier for small companies to be noticed online when matched against companies like Google, Microsoft and etc or do you want ISP costs to rise past the already high prices for mobile data and router access.

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There's nothing wrong with that, but FCC shouldn't be taking it as far as they are. If ISP's are blocking their competitor's websites, the competitors should be suing them and bringing this to court. I'm sure they'd be happy to do that with the large sum of money they'd most likely get.

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There's nothing wrong with that, but FCC shouldn't be taking it as far as they are. If ISP's are blocking their competitor's websites, the competitors should be suing them and bringing this to court. I'm sure they'd be happy to do that with the large sum of money they'd most likely get.

What about small companies that would be unable to cover the cost of litigation?
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www is outside local laws be it china,russia or usa!netneutrality would be beneficial for the whole www

Ugh come on. These are laws for US companies. You are telling me that sovereigns have no right to regulate the internet used in their borders? I don't know where you are from, but man, your countries educational system is doing you a disservice.
    
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There's nothing wrong with that, but FCC shouldn't be taking it as far as they are. If ISP's are blocking their competitor's websites, the competitors should be suing them and bringing this to court. I'm sure they'd be happy to do that with the large sum of money they'd most likely get.

What about small companies that would be unable to cover the cost of litigation?

That's why I said there's nothing wrong with the idea, it's just FCC shouldn't be taking it too far. ISP's not having the ability to block competitors and such is good. The idea of everybody having equal bandwidth and all is not though.

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That's why I said there's nothing wrong with the idea, it's just FCC shouldn't be taking it too far. ISP's not having the ability to block competitors and such is good. The idea of everybody having equal bandwidth and all is not though.

The businesses have to rent their connection and pay by bandwidth, and on the consumer end it is often the same. I don't know how we can get any more fair than that.
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i ll give an exemple!crtc!(canada counterpart of fcc)sent a nitce to roger saying that they needed to change their euristic!crtc had to threaten roger before they actually complied!all are like this(my own!MMYYY PRECIOUSS)come on we arent talking ownership here ,we talk about stopping greed,fiber optic cost almost nothing to lay down!proof?ask some city in the carolinas!they were sued by provider SUED
because they wanted to provide a service that isp are supposed to provide!said state even put laws so city couldnt lay down their own network!it isnt about cost etc!it is just about greed!if it wasnt ?if truelly it was cost?they would let the city in usa implement their own network and not have to bother?the sad truth is they should be charging 1$/gigabyte for wired and 2$/1 gigabyte for wireless!

but why should they stop there lets charge 10 $ per megabit!even tho the whole america is going bankrupt they couldnt care less!
i dont mind paying!and and i am pretty sure we all agree .but they should chrge by the gigabyte not the megabit!

can you imagine when we are at 3840x2160x46 inch instead of todays 1920x1080x23 inch?instead of around 1.080 mb/s we ll need 4.320 mb/s to stream?
so basicly it will cost 40 $ /second to view a movie like the hobbit online over all the netflix of the world?come on it doesnt make sense!
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