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7/5/12 at 6:12am
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Around three years after the European Commission slapped Intel with a record €1.06 billion fine for anti-competitive practices against market rival AMD, the company appealed against the fine, on grounds that the commission relied on "profoundly inadequate" evidence to establish anti-competition charges against the company, which lead to the fine.

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major computer manufacturers such as HP, Dell, and Lenovo, received unfair rebates from Intel for opting for its chips.

I would consider this just business... if Intel wants to offer drastic discounts to partners in order for them to put an i5 in instead of a bulldozer chip, let them.
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7/5/12 at 6:26am
nice timing wouldnt you say!just when amd is struggling to get out of their quagmire.i bet intel can afford this ,but can amd?i pretty sure amd cannot.another kodak like situation!
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I don't understand the problem really...

Lets say, I build my own company, And i make a 10 core mainstream chip that runs at 5ghz, with a 50Watt TDP and IPC through the roof, It costs me 10 bucks per die, And i sell them for 200 bucks a pop, They'd sell like hotcakes and no company around would be able to compete with it, But if i did that, i'd get hit with this anti trust crap, Because it'd knock several companies (AMD and intel) out of the equation, I think it's kind of stupid TBh, if your product vastly outdoes the competitions, why must you suffer because the competition sucks?
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7/5/12 at 6:32am
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major computer manufacturers such as HP, Dell, and Lenovo, received unfair rebates from Intel for opting for its chips.
I would consider this just business... if Intel wants to offer drastic discounts to partners in order for them to put an i5 in instead of a bulldozer chip, let them.

You would have to re-write a lot of laws to just "let them" do that. You do know that practice is illegal right? If companies could do that whenever they wanted... well lets just say there wouldn't be very many companies left.

A debate about anti-competetive laws might be best suited for another forum if that is your intention.
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I don't understand the problem really...
Lets say, I build my own company, And i make a 10 core mainstream chip that runs at 5ghz, with a 50Watt TDP and IPC through the roof, It costs me 10 bucks per die, And i sell them for 200 bucks a pop, They'd sell like hotcakes and no company around would be able to compete with it, But if i did that, i'd get hit with this anti trust crap, Because it'd knock several companies (AMD and intel) out of the equation, I think it's kind of stupid TBh, if your product vastly outdoes the competitions, why must you suffer because the competition sucks?

Except that isn't what happened here at all. Your example is unrelated. Intel was selling its chips and offering rebates to companies that ONLY used Intel chips in their products. You want cheap intel products? Better ditch all your AMD branded stuff. Companies that didn't accept the rebate wouln't make as much money as companies that did so they got muscled into it out of fear of being left behind, and AMD got screwed even when they might have had the best product in a certain price range.

Or so the lawsuit claims. Intel says they can't prove it.
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I have never understood that part of the legal system. "The court ruled against us. We don't like that. Round two anyone?"

If Intel have further arguments to make, surely the time to make them would have been before they got the fine?
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i dont think they should be allowed to do this...

this is business 101 - the Manufacturers of the PC's send all sort of rebates and back end rebates and promotions to the major distribution channels to push the product more than another brands.

You see AMD Offers the PC Manufacturer's Happy MEals with the free Toy

Intel offers the CEO's of the manufacturer's 18 Holes at the Bunny Ranch thumb.gif
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7/5/12 at 6:40am
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I would consider this just business... if Intel wants to offer drastic discounts to partners in order for them to put an i5 in instead of a bulldozer chip, let them.
The problem was never about ordering Intel instead of AMD, it was Intel giving massive discounts if a builder refused to use any AMD CPUs in any computers they sold, if even 1 AMD CPU was ordered by that builder Intel would pull the discount completely IIRC.
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7/5/12 at 6:41am
ya but why bother!intel figured ,lets wait till amd finance are a bit less cheerfull then lets go to town!
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