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Well some of you may remember my thread a week ago asking if it was possible to tear apart an external drive to make it internal. After talking to a few of the members here I decided it was worth a shot, and order an external 3tb seagate drive for $114 on sale. It arrived earlier today and after verifying it was in working order, I immediately went to work breaking it...

- the drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178117
Before (Click to show)
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There are no screws, so I resorted to a butter knife and guitar pick to pop the tabs
Without the shell (Click to show)
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Had a PCB that I couldn't figure out how to remove, then I realized I was just being stupid and removed the rubber stoppers on the side...
Naked Drive (Click to show)
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And there you have it, nothing fancy but that is the drive that is inside these 3tb external seagate drives. Haven't had a chance to run any real tests on it but its working fine so far and I have no problems with it as a backup drive. Im off to work but I'll play around with it some more when I get home tonight and report back.

btw this isn't meant to be a tut or anything, just figured someone else out there may be curious as to what drives are inside these things and if it was doable. Can confirm it was super easy, and I am pretty sure this drive alone has a longer warranty then the external drive lol

edit - for anyone reading this, after partitioning the drive and internalizing it these are the HDTune results.

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Sequential Read on 500GB - 190 - 204Mb/s
Access Time on 500GB - 13.3ms
Edited by xRehab - 7/9/12 at 1:27pm
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Thanks, I've got a Seagate GoFlex home(Network version, not USB) and it will randomly disconnect when streaming to my blu-ray player. I've been told I can take it back to best buy and get a replacement but since I don't have another 3TB drive laying around I would lose anything on the drive. I'm sure I could pay for dropbox and upload it there but the thought of uploading 3GB on my 20/2 cable internet makes me want to vomit. This makes me want to just share it through Windows.
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Thanks, I've got a Seagate GoFlex home(Network version, not USB) and it will randomly disconnect when streaming to my blu-ray player. I've been told I can take it back to best buy and get a replacement but since I don't have another 3TB drive laying around I would lose anything on the drive. I'm sure I could pay for dropbox and upload it there but the thought of uploading 3GB on my 20/2 cable internet makes me want to vomit. This makes me want to just share it through Windows.
ha yeah that would suck to have to transfer thru dropbox... I'm pretty sure the goflex even had a tut on YouTube of how to break it down if you're thinking about it. Took me all of ten minutes to pop mine open, take all of the pix, and install it into my case. Just have to wipe the drive of whatever the lame Seagate software that's on there and I'll be good to go. Cheapest 3tb out there
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Handy info. I can't wait to see some HDTune Pro and CrystalDiskMark benches. smile.gif

Out of curiosity, have you popped the internal drive's serial number into the Seagate warranty checker? I'm curious if the internal drive has a warranty, or only the unit as a whole.
     
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Wow very nice, if its fast i might have to jump biggrin.gif
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Handy info. I can't wait to see some HDTune Pro and CrystalDiskMark benches. smile.gif
Out of curiosity, have you popped the internal drive's serial number into the Seagate warranty checker? I'm curious if the internal drive has a warranty, or only the unit as a whole.
Drive is in warranty until 06 September 2013 according to the seagate site. I'll get some benches for this drive in a bit when it is done reformatting. So far I am pleased with this drive, only thing that annoyed me at the beginning was that it was in MBR at first so I had to switch that to GPT for it to be recognized as a full 3tb hdd. Now it is formatting and I couldn't be happier with the $114 I paid, if I find out it is a fast drive it would just be icing on the cake to me.


edit- benching now, will post back will results
Edited by xRehab - 7/6/12 at 9:30am
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benches from hd tune & crystal disk

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 193.143 MB/s
Sequential Write : 191.977 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 57.499 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 94.389 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.633 MB/s [ 154.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 1.403 MB/s [ 342.5 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.577 MB/s [ 385.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 1.392 MB/s [ 339.9 IOPS]

Test : 2000 MB [M: 0.0% (0.1/2794.4 GB)] (x2)
Date : 2012/07/07 0:39:38
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)

oh god, that is the biggest derp moment of this build so far... I had the drive hooked up to a 3gb sata instead of a 6 :facepalm: i will be back with the other results...

overall tho still happy with this drive. spins at 7200 and those speeds aren't bad for only being on slow sata. but lets see what we can get on the right ports...
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I don't think any single mechanical drive can max out a 3Gbps SATA interface so your results will be the same regardless.

Anyway, nice thread. I'm getting the 2TB version next week. I'll be keeping it in the shell though, for starters at least.

Oh, I have a question. Was the enclosure broken in any way to get the drive out?
   
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I don't think any single mechanical drive can max out a 3Gbps SATA interface so your results will be the same regardless.
Anyway, nice thread. I'm getting the 2TB version next week. I'll be keeping it in the shell though, for starters at least.
Oh, I have a question. Was the enclosure broken in any way to get the drive out?
I'm pretty sure you are right about the 3bgs but I still am going to switch it up just to check. I'd rather have it on a 6 anyways so that I can try and keep the wire management cleaner since my ssd is feeding to the 6gbs sata.

as for the case breaking, I didn't break any of the tabs surprisingly. I did crack the top of one, but it didn't break off and without looking directly at it you would never notice. theoretically i should be able to RMA this drive if I ever needed to, but the internal drive has its own warranty as well so I'd probably just RMA that and get a fresh bare drive instead.
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benches from hd tune & crystal disk

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CrystalDiskMark (Click to show)

CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 193.143 MB/s
Sequential Write : 191.977 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 57.499 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 94.389 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.633 MB/s [ 154.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 1.403 MB/s [ 342.5 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.577 MB/s [ 385.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 1.392 MB/s [ 339.9 IOPS]

Test : 2000 MB [M: 0.0% (0.1/2794.4 GB)] (x2)
Date : 2012/07/07 0:39:38
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)

oh god, that is the biggest derp moment of this build so far... I had the drive hooked up to a 3gb sata instead of a 6 :facepalm: i will be back with the other results...

overall tho still happy with this drive. spins at 7200 and those speeds aren't bad for only being on slow sata. but lets see what we can get on the right ports...
That is the weirdest performance arc that I've seen in a while. It's supposed to continue going upward towards the left... reaching at least 200MB/sec.

Access times are totally horrible. 20ms. lachen.gif The first 300GB is good and fast, so that's fine for OS/Apps/Games - but the rest is too high... way higher than most 5400RPM drives. Good for storage, but not so great for other stuff.

I'd try flashing the drive's firmware to see if that helps:
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en

And if it doesn't, partition it in at least two. Make the first only as large as you need for games (or other active data on the drive), and then make the second for storage of anything that isn't accessed at the same time as your games. That should keep access times as low as possible when playing. thumb.gif (I suggest this because if access times get too high, some games or engines will fail to load important models/textures/files before they are needed, which can cause stutters. Keeping all the data close together towards the edge should help prevent that.)
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theoretically i should be able to RMA this drive if I ever needed to, but the internal drive has its own warranty as well so I'd probably just RMA that and get a fresh bare drive instead.
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I don't think any single mechanical drive can max out a 3Gbps SATA interface so your results will be the same regardless.
Some have burst speeds higher than that. If a drive were doing something highly sequential (video editing/encoding, benchmarking, etc.), then it might matter - but for Apps/Games and regular usage it does not.


Edit: Have you checked if you can adjust the AAM settings in HDTune? It looks like a pretty good drive for the price. smile.gif But if you can figure out how to drop those access times, it'll be way faster. That would take it from a good deal to a really great deal. thumb.gif
Edited by Kramy - 7/6/12 at 5:22pm
     
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VIA Eden C7 1200mhz Jetway J7F4K1G2ES-LF VIA Onboard 512MB PC2-4200 
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A-Data FlashDrive None Fanless Linux 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Headless None 65w Power Brick Antec ISK300-65 
MouseAudio
None Onboard VIA 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Barton XP-M 2400+ FJQ4C Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe 256MB BFG 7800GS OC 2x512MB Samsung PC3200 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Raptor 74GB/Seagate 120GB Windows 2000 Pro 60hz 17" CRT Brandless PS2 Keyboard 
PowerMouse
Antec Neo HE 550w Logitech G5 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X6 1055T Saberooth 990FX eVGA GTX 560 SE 4x4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Seagate 3TB 7200.14 - ST3000DM001-9YN166 WD Black 640GB - WD6401AALS WD Green 1.5TB - WD15EARS Hitachi 2TB 7200RPM - HDS723020BLA642 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD 2TB Green - WD20EARX WD 2TB Green - WD20EARS WD Blue 500GB - WD5000AAKS-00V6A0 WD Scorpio Black 500GB - WD5000BEKT-00KA9 
Optical DriveOptical DriveOptical DriveCooling
Pioneer DVR-115DBK Samsung SH-S243D/BEBE LG GH22NS90 Coolit Eco R120 
CoolingCoolingOSOS
Yate Loon Fans - D12SL-12-RED/BLACK Fractal Design 120mm Fan - FD-FAN-120 Windows 7 Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 2343BWX 23" (2048x1152) I-Rocks KR-6170-BK Corsair HX620 Fractal Design Define R3 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Abyssus 3500DPI Mousepad + Desk Onboard Realtek® ALC 892 Cyber Acoustics CA-2992 2.0 Speakers 
OtherOtherOther
Razer Krait 1600 DPI nGear G-C1601 Card Reader Pisen Card Reader 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
VIA Eden C7 1200mhz Jetway J7F4K1G2ES-LF VIA Onboard 512MB PC2-4200 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
A-Data FlashDrive None Fanless Linux 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Headless None 65w Power Brick Antec ISK300-65 
MouseAudio
None Onboard VIA 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Barton XP-M 2400+ FJQ4C Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe 256MB BFG 7800GS OC 2x512MB Samsung PC3200 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Raptor 74GB/Seagate 120GB Windows 2000 Pro 60hz 17" CRT Brandless PS2 Keyboard 
PowerMouse
Antec Neo HE 550w Logitech G5 
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