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Neither Gates nor Jobs is/was any paragon of corporate ethics. They didn't make a movie about them called "Pirates of Silicon Valley" for nothing.

The bigger question is whether or not there is any tangible reason to choose Apple products over ordinary PC's. And that's a matter of personal preference. I use both platforms on a daily basis; a six-core WIndows 7 PC at home, and a Mac Pro at the office. I've never felt I was more productive on the Mac; if anything, it's the other way around. The PC certainly multitasks better, running Windows 7, than the Mac does running OSX, and that was true even before I upgraded to a Thuban on the PC. All in all, I've always thought the appeal of Apple's products isn't so much they are actually better, just that they're different, and therefore perceived as better.

There's no way that Windows runs better on Macs under Bootcamp than it does running natively on equal hardware. Again, that's just someone's perception. Modern Macs run ordinary, off-the-shelf PC components just like anything from Dell or HP. There's no reason why Windows would run better on the same Intel processor and motherboard just because someone crammed it into a case with an Apple logo on it.

And personally, I prefer to use something with an open architecture to something where one company controls everything...

If you are going to buy something off the shelf, the Mac will cost more, but it will retain much more of its value. But if you just buy computers off the shelf, why would you be on OCN?
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Originally Posted by ./Cy4n1d3\. View Post

Windows > mac because Windows founder donates his billions to charity, whereas Steve Jobs didn't. Steve Jobs just buys a new Mercedes Benz every couple months so he doesn't have to put a tag on it.

It is statements like these that just cause a toxic environment and contribute nothing in to the positive aspect of a discussion.

As for Apple making donations....

http://9to5mac.com/2012/02/02/tim-cook-casts-more-light-on-apples-charitable-contributions/, here is a $150 million donation breakdown from Apple.

Now for Steve Jobs himself....

When he was alive he LEASED, not purchased, a new car every 6 months to work around the requirement of having tags on his car for privacy reasons. Steve was an extremely private person and he did not want people harassing him when he was driving in public. Having tags would allow for easy identification of his vehicle and unwanted harassment from whoever felt the need to do so.

As for his personal contributions? Again, extremely private in the matter! While there is much debate over if he ever donated or not there are plenty of signs showing that he did it anonymously, making single donations as high as $150 million! The same amount Apple is donating this year as a company! Many experts and analysts believe it was Steve Jobs that donated $150 million to the Helen Diller Family Comprehensive Cancer Center at the University of California, San Francisco.

Many people lambasted Steve Jobs for not going public with his donations and making a big deal out of it. Well, guess what? He was a private person and didn't feel the need to do it, donations to him weren't for publicity but for the purpose of supporting the origination.

From a munch smaller perspective than what Apple and Steve Jobs have, my own company makes donations to the local community several times a year. We don't publicize it in anyway, we do it quietly and take great pride in knowing that he are helping those local organizations. So on the level of privacy, I can completely relate to Steve and others that donate in this way.

@ OP: As for your friend's statement that the Mac doesn't really cost more and has better performance, show him this...

http://store.vizio.com/cn15a1.html

This laptop comes in at under $1100
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD103LL/A?

15" Mac Book Pro

2.3GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz
4GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 15-inch Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide (English)

$2099

Slower processor, lower resolution....


Maybe he can do the math?
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post #13 of 13
Yea like someone said trying to convince a pc user to switch to mac and vice versa is like trying to convert a christian to islam. It will rarely happen. Aside from all that. I have heard from numerous people that one of the main reasons why the wealthy like to donate to charity and the like is because of tax reasons. So it turns out to be a double win for them, good PR and more $$. Is this true?
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