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post #11 of 37
You can overclock the Samsung golden RAM to 1600MHz+ with low timings for those speeds. I imagine with some tweaking you can get 2133 with 9-x-x-x 1T easily.
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My vote is for the g.skill.

Reasons.

Yea, the samsung is kind of good, and yes at stock its voltage is amazing. However, its also at cl11@1600 or 1333 stock. To get it up to a reasonable speed you have to add up voltage. Meaning you are going to be up to 1.5-1.6 to push it up into the realms of 2133-2400, and that is at cl11. After that, your timing might be all wacked out at something like 11-14-12-36-2t at 1.6v to be running at 2133 or 2400mhz. All of that considered, before you even factor in that it is a complete lottery as to whether or not it is actually going to do those speeds.

However, with the g.skill, you know that it is already set to go at 2133 cl9 at 1.65v. You could leave it stock, and have out of the box better/lower timings plus the stability of ram that has already been binned to run at a high speed with tight timings.

I noticed that you fold, I'm pretty into folding myself. So I assume that you intend to fold on this computer. Looked at the wrong person.

This is where your timing and speeds are really going to make a difference. I was running cl9 1600mhz xms3 ram 4x2gb, with timings at 9-9-9-24-1t. I was netting around 104k ppd on 6901's and around 110kppd for 6903 wu's. When I switched to a 4x4gb 1866 9-10-9-24-21t cl9 kit from g.skill (see sig) I got an immediate jump in ppd to around 115kppd on 6901's and up to the 135-140k ppd on 6903wu's. BUT there was less than a 2k difference in ppd going from the 1866 cl9 to 2133 cl10 with timings of 10-11-11-28-2t.

However, the g.skill ram you linked in op is timed better than my ram o.c'd at its stock speed.

Just saying, if you are going to fold on this computer, stability, promised performance, and binned/paired dimms are going to be a much better bet.

B.T.W. - there are screen shots somewhere in the dark predators thread showing the p.p.d. difference that I mentioned, I am just too lazy to look for them a.t.m. The allocated memory allowed for the vmbox instance was not changed between ram sets, so it held no relevance as to the p.p.d produced. And the testing was done on a 3930k @ 4.8 vt-d enabled for all of the testing.


edit: well, after looking back at the o.p. I realize you are not folding, so I suppose you could use this information as you choose, as it may or may not be relevent to your usage. blushsmiley.gif
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^Overclock... -.-
9-10-10-28 1T 2133 stable.
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post #14 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by funfortehfun View Post

^Overclock... -.-
9-10-10-28 1T 2133 stable.
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Very nice. And if o.p.s kit doesnt get that speed, what then?

Keep in mind, you are running duel channel, and he is talking quad channel.
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post #15 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusboots View Post

My vote is for the g.skill.
Reasons.
Yea, the samsung is kind of good, and yes at stock its voltage is amazing. However, its also at cl11@1600 or 1333 stock. To get it up to a reasonable speed you have to add up voltage. Meaning you are going to be up to 1.5-1.6 to push it up into the realms of 2133-2400, and that is at cl11. After that, your timing might be all wacked out at something like 11-14-12-36-2t at 1.6v to be running at 2133 or 2400mhz. All of that considered, before you even factor in that it is a complete lottery as to whether or not it is actually going to do those speeds.
However, with the g.skill, you know that it is already set to go at 2133 cl9 at 1.65v. You could leave it stock, and have out of the box better/lower timings plus the stability of ram that has already been binned to run at a high speed with tight timings.
I noticed that you fold, I'm pretty into folding myself. So I assume that you intend to fold on this computer. Looked at the wrong person.
This is where your timing and speeds are really going to make a difference. I was running cl9 1600mhz xms3 ram 4x2gb, with timings at 9-9-9-24-1t. I was netting around 104k ppd on 6901's and around 110kppd for 6903 wu's. When I switched to a 4x4gb 1866 9-10-9-24-21t cl9 kit from g.skill (see sig) I got an immediate jump in ppd to around 115kppd on 6901's and up to the 135-140k ppd on 6903wu's. BUT there was less than a 2k difference in ppd going from the 1866 cl9 to 2133 cl10 with timings of 10-11-11-28-2t.
However, the g.skill ram you linked in op is timed better than my ram o.c'd at its stock speed.
Just saying, if you are going to fold on this computer, stability, promised performance, and binned/paired dimms are going to be a much better bet.
B.T.W. - there are screen shots somewhere in the dark predators thread showing the p.p.d. difference that I mentioned, I am just too lazy to look for them a.t.m. The allocated memory allowed for the vmbox instance was not changed between ram sets, so it held no relevance as to the p.p.d produced. And the testing was done on a 3930k @ 4.8 vt-d enabled for all of the testing.
edit: well, after looking back at the o.p. I realize you are not folding, so I suppose you could use this information as you choose, as it may or may not be relevent to your usage. blushsmiley.gif

No.

Samsung can go low: 2133Mhz @ 1.45v with 9-10-10-21-1T. This is the 30nm chip, this thing is cool and low power with high clock.
     
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post #16 of 37
Coming from a G.Skill 1600, I'd say the samsungs are better.

It's stock IS 1600 11-11-11-30 but it can run at 1600 8-8-8-20 at stock voltage -mine did.

My sammies are still on stock voltage btw at 1866 9-9-9-20 1T biggrin.gif

Have fun!!
post #17 of 37
As posted above, the Samsung 30nm kits OC well. They are running on average DDR3 2133 around 1.40-1.45v with Cas 10 timings. And these modules do not get hot at all. I am able to run 8x4Gb at 1866 with 1.45v and the modules are only warm to the touch.

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^^^ This.

Not to mention, you got another $40 to play with. Maybe some AP15s for whatever rad you'll certainly need. thumb.gif
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Surprisingly, I've bought these exacts kits before. I had the Snipers first and every much enjoyed them out of the box. Never really spent time overclocking them so I can speak for that.

I can say with a little time and effort, the Samsung's were a real pleasure to work with. Every time you stress the new clocks is a surprise as you watch the numbers climb and climb and climb...
I believe I had them at the same clocks and timings as the Snipers at stock with lower voltage. Wasn't perfectly tuned either, I had actually dropped it from max clocks just because I was lazy. Might get back to that when I get them into my new rig.

Oh and when I had the Snipers, I had an acrylic panel. Food for thought!
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G Skill and X79 sometimes do not play nice. I had to bump my CAS latency to make GSkill stable, 9-9-9-24 2T at 1866. At rated 8-9-9-24 they caused all kinds of problems. When I googled I found a bunch of other people with the same issues with X79/G-Skill. Corsair seems to have no problem running rated speed with X79s.

I have 4 sticks of Samsung, I'm using them in other rigs where they're just awesome.

I would swap the Sammies in right now, but I'm not interested in RAM bragging rights since over 1866 doesn't make a bit of difference for gaming.

Bottom line, if I were starting from scratch, I'd be using the Samsung 30nm sticks for sure in my sig rig. I may swap them in at some point honestly if I'm bored and feel like pushing 2000. Right now I've got two running 1600 @ 7-7-7-18 1T @ 1.5V in an FM1 rig, and the other pair running 1866 @ 8-9-9-24 2T @ 1.5V in a phenom II rig. $49 for 8GB with that kind of flexibility, they were easy to tune, you can't beat that.
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i7 3930K @ 4.8Ghz offset ASrock X79 Extreme6/GB EVGA GTX680 FTW with EK waterblock EVGA GTX650 for PhysX 
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G-Skill 4x4GB DDR3 1866 8-9-9-24@1.5V Samsung 840 Pro 128GB Agility 3 240GB x2 RAID 0 WD 500GB X2 RAID 0 
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XSPC Raystorm XSPC Dual Bay reservoir with Alphacool variable... Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper Triple 120mm... EK GTX680 FTW waterblock 
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Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate HP tSS-25X11LED 25" 1080p PC Power&Cooling Silentpower 910W Xigmatek Elysium 
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Razer Deathadder 3500 Rocketfish Creative Sound Core3D Logitech Z5300 
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960T unlocked to X6 ASUS M4A79XTD Evo Sapphire HD6870 1GB 2x2GB Ripjaws 7-8-7-24 F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM  
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Crucial M4 128GB WD 320GB HDD Lite-On DVD-RW Corsair H100 
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Win 7 x64 Ultimate OCZ Stealthstream 600W HAF XB 
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Q9550 @ 4.3/1.344 24/7 EIST EP45-UD3P @506 FSB Gainward GTX 460 2x2GB GSkill 1100 
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120GB OCZ Vertex Plus 2x160GB WD RAID 0 Samsung DVD-RW Swiftech Apogee HD 
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Swiftech 120mm Radiator Swiftech reservior Windows 7 x64 Ultimate ACER 22" 
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Logitech Thermaltake Toughpower 750W w/ fan mod Antec 900, refinished white Logitech G300 
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On-board Realtek 
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