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Sooooo I spilled coffee on my machine this morning. A long story, but suffice to say we have moved from a 3 BR house into a 1 BR apartment and space is lacking, so the computer wasn't positioned the best...but it might be about time for a revamp anyway. Used mostly for moderate gaming, some TV/Movie watching. All perhipherals are still in tact. Links (that I could find) are for discontinued items, but provided for reference for those kind enough to assist.

It appears the only problem is with the processor and/or motherboard.

Existing Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402
Existing Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674

I have a 650W Corsair power supply that is still ok...

And the Antec P183 case that I'd like to keep...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129061

I have a ATI Radeon 5870 that seems to work fine (tested in my wife's machine). I may replace it in the not-too-distant future, but it probably isn't a focus right now. Suggestions however, are welcome.

Have 60GB SSD used for OS that is still bootable (tested in wife's machine), and 1TB SATA drive that I use for data.

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227542
SATA Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284



Essentially, I need suggestions for a motherboard to fit the case, with accompanying processor, and possibly memory. Next priority would be a video card, and then a power supply if necessary.

I've not messed with anything other than air-cooling, and I don't know if I want to mess with anything more.

Budget...I suppose I'd like to stay 500-600 or less without video card.

I'm hoping for some assistance because I don't really want to spend weeks figuring it out on my own as I did with this previous build.

Thanks for any help!
post #2 of 14
Your budget is pretty darn big for what you want to do... so I guess decide how much you want to upgrade, and how much you just want to get back up and running.

If you think there's a chance the CPU is still working (probably not, if computer was running at the time of the accident), just get another suitable motherboard and cross your fingers. If not, throw in a new (or buy used from the OCN marketplace) another P II x4, and you're good to go.

Use memtest on your current RAM in your wife's machine. If no good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%2050001077&IsNodeId=1&name=SAMSUNG

As far as video card, the 5870 is still a strong card. I don't think you're going to see a major improvement without plowing at least $300 or so into the card (7870 or 7950 territory).

If you're certain the CPU is toast, I'd recommend upgrading to a ....uh, that other processor company.... CPU. You can't really improve on a Phenom II x4 for gaming unless you go with uh.... that other processor company.....

So if overclocking (total $445):
i5-3570k ($230 @various)
Asus p8z77-vlk ($129 @us.ncix.com)
Coolermaster 212 Evo ($35 @newegg)
+samsung ram ($50)

If not overclocking (total $313
i5-3450 ($190 @ us.ncix.com)
Asrock B75M ($73 @ newegg.com)
+samsung ram ($50)

If you don't want to go with ... that other processor company... then basically just get what you had before : Some random PII x4 w/some random acceptable AMD motherboard. No reason for anything else.

The PSU is a quality unit. If it's working fine, no need to change. Also, it's already quite a bit of overkill.
    
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I'm a AMD fanboy but still would suggest you to get i5 3570k/2500k and pair it with a Asrock z77 extreme4 and you'll be noticing performence difference compared to current AMD offerings.
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more then likly the cpu is good what I do is get a AM3+ board and for what your doing you have more the enfo cpu if you do find you need mobo and cpu Id look at this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.986642 cpu/mobo 302.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096 ram 50.00
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$350 is a... bad... price for an fx-4100+mobo+ram. confused.gif
    
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ok frist up the mobo its a Sabertooth board a very soild board and with a 5 year warrenty its one of a handfull of board with that long of a warrenty and the only AMD board and it will handle any over clock and with one click it will run the 4170 at 4.3Ghz with a turbo of 4.5Ghz and it is upgradable with the new cpu comming out the Piledriver next with 2 16x slots and a 3rd 8x slot you can crossfire or tri sli and no hack jop has to be done it will run ATI or Nivia cards and that ram will run at 2000Mhz this is a soild build and here is this board with a 5.0Ghz OC

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It's a great board. It's a powerful board. It's a sexy board.

It's a very, very expensive board.

I don't care what board it is, paying $350 is a terrible idea for an fx-4100 cpu-mobo-ram setup. AMD's only claim to relevance is it's low cost (in this case, the potential to just buy a motherboard to get things up and running - if the CPU is still working, otherwise llano or trinity APUs for various purposes, or very rarely a cheap microcenter combo). It just doesn't make sense to pay that much when the stock speed i5 I mentioned will out-perform an overclocked fx-4100 for less.

Edit: In case the OP is curious, here's what I'm talking about in my response to truckerguy. The i5-3450 I recommended will perform about as well as the i5-2500k 'nominal' that appears in this set of benchmarks, although in a few cases it will perform better:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_9.html#sect0

You can see it go up against the various bulldozers, at stock and overclocked, in multi-threaded applications and two games. The fx-8120 challenges it sometimes for multi-threaded apps, with the addtional cost of overclocking (cooler & psu in the case of bulldozers), but the fx-4100 will not.

Now bulldozer processors perform a bit better after some windows updates (I think the benchmarks were before that), but you can see that even if the bulldozer results are given an additional 10% boost across the board, the i5 is still the better choice if price is the same. And, in some cases, also when price is more expensive for the i5. Being a locked processor, the i5 does not require a good motherboard - it can do with the cheapie I recommended. And that makes a big difference.
Edited by MisterFred - 7/7/12 at 10:17pm
    
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a 4170 will out performe not a 4100 2 diffrent cpu's the 4170 came out of the latest batch of BD but a 4100 would be less and matched with his GPU will out performe and FM1 and a I5 will out performe a 41xx cpu it beter for 2 times the cost what this comes down to is do you want a ok mobo or a outstanding one for me I see the mobo as the foundation as everything is depended on it
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Almost guarantee the processor is okay...the motherboard, prob shot. Just get a new board and call it a day.
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a 4170 will out performe not a 4100 2 diffrent cpu's the 4170 came out of the latest batch of BD but a 4100 would be less and matched with his GPU will out performe and FM1 and a I5 will out performe a 41xx cpu it beter for 2 times the cost what this comes down to is do you want a ok mobo or a outstanding one for me I see the mobo as the foundation as everything is depended on it
There are PLENTY of boards in the $125 and under range that are stable foundations thank you very much. Blowing that much on a Sabertooth would be a waste of money unless your trying to set some records (which I don't believe that one has by the way..)
Edited by kaivorth - 7/7/12 at 10:20pm
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Almost guarantee the processor is okay...the motherboard, prob shot. Just get a new board and call it a day.
There are PLENTY of boards in the $125 and under range that are stable foundations thank you very much. Blowing that much on a Sabertooth would be a waste of money unless your trying to set some records (which I don't believe that one has by the way..)

I see you really don't know the Sabertooth board thier is no way you ever going to "set a recored"
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