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Greetings, first of all, let me get through the officially required part;

1. What's your grip style?
Fingertip grip.
2. What's your sensitivity?
High.
3. What's your maximum budget?
No limit.
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Would be good, but I can make exceptions in the worst case scenario.
5. What games do you play?
FPS - Quake Live, Tribes Ascend, Unreal Tournament etc.
6. Do you mind about prediction?
Yes, no prediction for me please.
7. Other relevant information:
Ambidextrous shape - the Razer Diamondback was the best mouse I've ever held in my hands up to date.
Absolutely no acceleration of any kind! 1:1 movement is a must.
High DPI (above 3000)
I don't mind the Z-axis problems as a high sensitivity gamer.
Absolutely NO dynamic DPI scaling!

So, right now I have a Lachesis 5600 dpi which I hate from the depths of my very soul. I used to have a Diamondback which was perfect, but by the time it broke they weren't being sold anymore. So I went for a 1st generation Lachesis 4000 DPI, the ones with jitter (which I didn't mind), it was pinpoint accurate and everything, but the shape was less comfortable than a Diamondback. Sadly, it died and I switched to the Lachesis 5600 DPI which forces Dynamic DPI scaling, which is a piece of ***** and the people who invented it should get shot in the face.

Anyway, I've been looking at the Razer Taipan and Steelseries Sensei, but both have some kind of acceleration, so they're a no-go. Also, from what I've heard the Zowie AM makes you brake your hand and has weird buttons, which is once again, a no.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I have a DeathAdder, but it makes me want to cut off my hand, I really can't grip it for more than 30 minutes without my wrist hurting.
EDIT2: Preferably a mouse without a thumb or a pinky rest, for some reason I sometimes push them against my pad for increased accuracy.biggrin.gif

Any help?wth.gif
Edited by AbuseMatt - 7/8/12 at 12:09am
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Greetings, first of all, let me get through the officially required part;
1. What's your grip style?
Fingertip grip.
2. What's your sensitivity?
High.
3. What's your maximum budget?
No limit.
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Would be good, but I can make exceptions in the worst case scenario.
5. What games do you play?
FPS - Quake Live, Tribes Ascend, Unreal Tournament etc.
6. Do you mind about prediction?
Yes, no prediction for me please.
7. Other relevant information:
Ambidextrous shape - the Razer Diamondback was the best mouse I've ever held in my hands up to date.
Absolutely no acceleration of any kind! 1:1 movement is a must.
High DPI (above 3000)
I don't mind the Z-axis problems as a high sensitivity gamer.
Absolutely NO dynamic DPI scaling!
So, right now I have a Lachesis 5600 dpi which I hate from the depths of my very soul. I used to have a Diamondback which was perfect, but by the time it broke they weren't being sold anymore. So I went for a 1st generation Lachesis 4000 DPI, the ones with jitter (which I didn't mind), it was pinpoint accurate and everything, but the shape was less comfortable than a Diamondback. Sadly, it died and I switched to the Lachesis 5600 DPI which forces Dynamic DPI scaling, which is a piece of ***** and the people who invented it should get shot in the face.
Anyway, I've been looking at the Razer Taipan and Steelseries Sensei, but both have some kind of acceleration, so they're a no-go. Also, from what I've heard the Zowie AM makes you brake your hand and has weird buttons, which is once again, a no.
Any help?wth.gif

If you must have 1:1 input than you need to look into a DA or a G400 with batches greater than LZ13333. DA with the latest firmware has the option to turn on/off drift control(another name for prediction), and the newer G400s have them disabled out of the box. Do note the older ones still have prediction before LZ13333.

Now as for your grip, both mice are equally big and have fairly different shape. If you have small hands, then you might face problems with finger tip. As for being ambidextrous, the DA is certainly not, and is more catered to right hand, there's even a left hand edition of the DA which you can look into if you play with your left hand, idk about the G400, but IIRC should be the same. The DA 3.5g can do 3500DPI at the highest setting, while the G400 does 3600. Both are free from the Z-Axis issue which are mostly found in PTE mice, and no dynamic DPI scaling.

I will recommend the DA if you don't have problems gripping it, other than the LOD(which might bother some) but since you have a high sensitivity, I doubt it will be a problem.

Hope it helps. smile.gif
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post #3 of 13
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Ah, I forgot to add, I do have a DA, however, I do have a problem gripping it. It actually gives me wrist pain even when using it for "short" amounts of time (like 1 hour or so). However, G400 sounds like something I should check out, thanks! By the way, I just started checking out the Abyssus, except the fact that it doesn't have additional buttons, does it have any other problems?

Thanks again!biggrin.gif
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Ah, I forgot to add, I do have a DA, however, I do have a problem gripping it. It actually gives me wrist pain even when using it for "short" amounts of time (like 1 hour or so). However, G400 sounds like something I should check out, thanks! By the way, I just started checking out the Abyssus, except the fact that it doesn't have additional buttons, does it have any other problems?
Thanks again!biggrin.gif

Ahh, you've the same problem. tongue.gif I also have this pain when using the DA, it's just too big for me.

The Abyssus uses the same sensor as the DA, but the firmware is not upgradeable. The older batches were plagued with jitter issues on certain mouse pads(more prominent on cloth). Though if I had to guess, the newer batches has these problems fixed(with an updated firmware) out of the box. The plus signs: awesome shape(for claw grippers), and very light but the feet are really thin but shouldn't bother if you are on a cloth pad and only does upto 1800(but you need 3000+ ?).

Wait for some Abyssus users to chime by, hopefully you'll get better answers than me. smile.gif
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Hah, so I'm not the only one with that problem biggrin.gif
As for the DPI, it got revamped not that long ago and it actually has a 3.5G version now, 3500 DPI. However, I hope it's not like the Lachesis 3.5G, which has dynamic DPI scaling forced with the firmware. I was hoping it would still jitter, I didn't mind it, nowhere near as much as the dynamic DPI fix, which makes the mouse horribly inaccurate. I hate throwing away money on something they don't write down in the product info:mad:
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Hah, so I'm not the only one with that problem biggrin.gif
As for the DPI, it got revamped not that long ago and it actually has a 3.5G version now, 3500 DPI. However, I hope it's not like the Lachesis 3.5G, which has dynamic DPI scaling forced with the firmware. I was hoping it would still jitter, I didn't mind it, nowhere near as much as the dynamic DPI fix, which makes the mouse horribly inaccurate. I hate throwing away money on something they don't write down in the product info:mad:

Razer and it's confusing naming schemes...

Lachesis 3.5G has a PTE laser sensor, while Abyssus (and DA3.5/BE) use an optical A3888 sensor.

As you can imagine, apart from Razer's labeling scheme, they share no technology underneath.

So, no dynamic DPI scaling for the Abyssus wink.gif

About the mouse itself :
- You can select from 450, 1800 and 3500 CPI.
- Should be comfortable for claw and fingertip grip.
- One of the most accurate sensors money can buy (truly 1:1 accuracy).
- You might want to replace mouse feet as soon as possible, and get some true teflon feet for it.
- Weights close to nothing.

As per mousepads that work with Abyssus, check it here

I'll sadly agree that there are not many suitable alternatives for that kind of grip and sensitivity, so good luck with your choice wink.gif
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Razer and it's confusing naming schemes...
Lachesis 3.5G has a PTE laser sensor, while Abyssus (and DA3.5/BE) use an optical A3888 sensor.
As you can imagine, apart from Razer's labeling scheme, they share no technology underneath.
So, no dynamic DPI scaling for the Abyssus wink.gif
About the mouse itself :
- You can select from 450, 1800 and 3500 CPI.
- Should be comfortable for claw and fingertip grip.
- One of the most accurate sensors money can buy (truly 1:1 accuracy).
- You might want to replace mouse feet as soon as possible, and get some true teflon feet for it.
- Weights close to nothing.
As per mousepads that work with Abyssus, check it here
I'll sadly agree that there are not many suitable alternatives for that kind of grip and sensitivity, so good luck with your choice wink.gif
Hmm, so if it's using an A3888, I assume it doesn't have any kind of acceleration, despite not being a PTE right? Which brings me to the 2nd question, since it's using an optical sensor, aren't they considered inferior to lasers?
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+1 on the razer abyssus. I never tried one but i've heard good thing about them.
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Hmm, so if it's using an A3888, I assume it doesn't have any kind of acceleration, despite not being a PTE right? Which brings me to the 2nd question, since it's using an optical sensor, aren't they considered inferior to lasers?



I prefer optical to laser, but it doesnt matter, really.
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Hmm, so if it's using an A3888, I assume it doesn't have any kind of acceleration, despite not being a PTE right? Which brings me to the 2nd question, since it's using an optical sensor, aren't they considered inferior to lasers?

A3888 has no inherent acceleration, correct.

It's not as simple as laser>optical or optical>laser, depends on sensor and the use you expect to give it.
For example, the A3888 sensor is flawless at 3500CPI, while the A3095 from the G400 jitters at 3600.
On the other side of the fence, Avago VCSEL sensors all have some sort of acceleration at mid to high speeds, and PTE either have Z-axis bug or dynamic DPI scaling (Razer only).

So, end of day what matters most is not some cliché vision of what should be better or worse, but what "problems" you can live with happily and what product fits your needs the best.
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