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I would expect for the gap to not be so huge, if you claim that the 120mm fans are nearly silent. Because 140mm fans are the opposite. So yes, it's a huge inconsistency where it should not be so large.
But why?

As per your second paragraph, that's not mutually exclusive with what I said. They are different sizes and run at different speeds. That's exactly what you said with your data.
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post #1722 of 11741
I always thought 140mm were more silent due to being able to push more air at lower speeds?

I'm using Gentle Typhoons all around my case, so I can back up their silence and performance. thumb.gif
    
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Because they have the same design and the difference between 120mm and 140mm is not so large. They have the same maximum RPM too. You're saying that the 120mm fans run quietly and everything above is loud. That's my point - it's an inconsistency. I think you're misreading my post - I was proving that there is an inconsistency giving you concrete RPM numbers. My 140mm fan at 800RPM becomes quite noticeable and gets very loud at 1200RPM. And you're saying that 120mm fan at 1200RPM is very quiet.

Maybe they did a good job with the 120mm fans, but I don't understand why there's such a difference for the 140mm version. They are all advertised as being quiet, but it's definitely not the case.

As Kokin said, that's the general consensus I see : larger fans can be run at lower RPM to push more air and be quieter. My 230mm fan has to run at sub 50% of its rated RPM to be quiet.
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post #1724 of 11741
Sure, if you spin them slower than 120s, then they should ostensibly be quiet.

Also, keep in mind that when someone (like myself) says 'nearly silent', it's totally subjective. Check out Martin's review of the Spectre Pro 120s to get a good idea of how loud they are if you want some consistent data.

*edit*

That inconsistency is very consistent. You can't design a 120mm fan with specific technology, and simply size it up without making adjustments and expect it to work the same. It's cutting corners, sure, but it's what all of the companies do.

There's a reason why companies like Noiseblocker and Noctua dont just release 140/200/230mm fans of the same design. It just doesn't work out. On why specifically, I do not know, as I have zero experience in physics tongue.gif
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After looking at some water cooling video build. I think i should just stick to a corsair water cooler or something similar for the time being. since am new to all this stuff. Can any one recommend me one that is good. Will be using it with a asrock z77e itx and want to overclock it to at least 4ghz or higher and might put a bitfenix recon as well
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After looking at some water cooling video build. I think i should just stick to a corsair water cooler or something similar for the time being. since am new to all this stuff. Can any one recommend me one that is good. Will be using it with a asrock z77e itx and want to overclock it to at least 4ghz or higher and might put a bitfenix recon as well

Any of the watercoolers will work well with the Asrock Z77E board, you may need to cut part of the backplate to avoid the bottom m-sata slot, but that doesn't require a lot of work since the backplate is made out of plastic. My CPU waterblock's backplate is made out of steel, so it's a different story for me.

You can actually overclock a 3570K up to about 4.2ghz on the stock cooler and it wouldn't run much hotter than stock since a lot of IB chips will easily hit 4.0~4.3ghz on stock voltage (depends on the CPU's stock voltage). My 3570K had no problem running 4.2ghz on less than stock voltage when I was using the stock CPU cooler for a week or two. thumb.gif
    
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Sure, if you spin them slower than 120s, then they should ostensibly be quiet.
Also, keep in mind that when someone (like myself) says 'nearly silent', it's totally subjective. Check out Martin's review of the Spectre Pro 120s to get a good idea of how loud they are if you want some consistent data.
*edit*
That inconsistency is very consistent. You can't design a 120mm fan with specific technology, and simply size it up without making adjustments and expect it to work the same. It's cutting corners, sure, but it's what all of the companies do.
There's a reason why companies like Noiseblocker and Noctua dont just release 140/200/230mm fans of the same design. It just doesn't work out. On why specifically, I do not know, as I have zero experience in physics tongue.gif

As pointed out, when one says it's loud, it's very subjective as everyone's toleration of sound is different. Fans larger than 120mm spinning the same speed as the 120, will require more amperage. More amperage is the same as larger engine in a car. It's going to marginally louder. Not only that, the larger airflow through those perforated holes will result in higher turbulence making it sound louder.
Larger fans are available to push the same amount of air, but with lower noise. If a 120mm fan was pushing the same amount of air as our 230mm fan, it would be much much louder.
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Any of the watercoolers will work well with the Asrock Z77E board, you may need to cut part of the backplate to avoid the bottom m-sata slot, but that doesn't require a lot of work since the backplate is made out of plastic. My CPU waterblock's backplate is made out of steel, so it's a different story for me.
You can actually overclock a 3570K up to about 4.2ghz on the stock cooler and it wouldn't run much hotter than stock since a lot of IB chips will easily hit 4.0~4.3ghz on stock voltage (depends on the CPU's stock voltage). My 3570K had no problem running 4.2ghz on less than stock voltage when I was using the stock CPU cooler for a week or two. thumb.gif

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Looks like royal mail lost my 8gb ram sticks. Now i have to wait another week before i can get a replacement. Its all ready been more then a week. Just looking a my bitfenix prodigy box is driving me nuts lol
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Just to weigh in on fans, I have departed from the normal Bitfenix fan set up in favor of Noctua and I'm very satisfied. I've needed to post pictures of my set up for awhile, and it would be easier to reference pictures now, but ill try and explain my selections and reasons. I use one hard drive cube on the bottom, and have a Noctua NF-P14 FLX doing front intake (I have the white Prodigy, so no mesh), and a Corsair H80 in the rear with two Noctua NF-F12 PWM fans on the radiator. No top fan and my Asus 7870 uses the airflow from the side panel. My goal wasn't silence, but just as quiet as possible. I tried many fans, including a 200mm Spectra Pro, and while I liked it, i found the 140mm Noctua was quieter and quite frankly pulled in more air. It is definitely more subjective. I've tried many fans from Cougar, Bitfenix, and everyone in between, and I've always come back to Noctua as the quietest and most effective.

As for the heatsink, I ran many tests with many fans, both at idle and under stress (Prime95 for one hour), and I found that while the Corsair fans were best for pure temps, it was only by 2-3 degrees at stock speed and with my overclock on my i7 3770. The Noctua's kept the temps nearly the same and at their WORST were quieter than my best Cougar fans. Currently I have the two push/pull fans on voltage limiters and on static power (molex), and I am comfortable saying my Prodigy is as quiet as my Mac Mini and nearly as quiet as my Macbook Air.

Two things people might find interesting. I contacted both Corsair and Noctua while doing my experiments because I wanted their input on their products on the H80. When I contacted Corsair I asked if any of their new fans (that came out earlier this year) would be good replacements for the stock H80 fans, and was surprisingly told "No". I was told by an engineer that the stock fans would keep temps lower than any of their replacement models. And sure enough he was right. Not only in my tests, but any online benchmark, the Corsair stock fans are many times louder than practically every other model, but they also keep temps the lowest. For anyone who hasn't heard these fans on high, I can hear them across my house, many walls in the way.

Second I contacted Noctua about which fans they recommended both as a push fan through a radiator, and which as a pull. Their answer surprised me more. They said the NF-F12 with its focused air design was best for pushing air through a radiator, that was the design intention, and IF I wanted a pull fan that would work best too. But they also said in their tests, there wasn't a need for the pull fan and that they only saw a degree or two difference with one far versus two. Turns out they were right again! At idle and under load, at stock speeds and overclocked, the temp difference between one fan and two was minor, 1-2 degrees, and the temp difference between my voltage controlled single fan and two corsair fans on high, with an overclock (4.4 GHz), under a load? 7 degrees. Now everyone can choose which extreme they fall under, but my highest temps with an overclock were still only in the mid 60's (C), which is so far under the safe threshold, that its a matter of preference not necessity in picking these fans.

I hope this helps someone, I'm happy to offer an insights from my set up if anyone has any questions. The best thing on this forum is the insights of all the different users with the hundreds of different configurations. I like Noctua fans best, and its not out of blind loyalty. I wanted to like the Spectra fans because of the look, and the inherent fit with a Bitfenix case. But just as Noctua doesn't make cases, I think every brand does something well and I'll usually choose the specialty brand over brand consistency throughout a build.

Here's my config for reference and until I can post pictures:
- White Bitfenix Prodigy with one hard drive cage removed and a Noctua NF-P14 140mm fan pulling in air
- i7 3770 overclocked to 4.4 Ghz with Corsair H80 cooling (2 x Noctua NF-F12 PWM fans cooling in push/pull)
- ASRock Z77E-itx motherboard
- LG WH14NS40 14x BD-R
- OCZ Vertex 4 128GB
- 2 x 3TB Seagate Barracuda SATA III
- Seasonic x650, 650 Watt 80Plus Gold PSU
- Asus 7870
- 2 x 4GB Samsung low profile memory overclocked to 8-8-8-20 @ 1866
Edited by mattchid - 10/2/12 at 6:43am
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