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post #1 of 29
7/9/12 at 3:05am
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So I'm looking for a flow meter for my rig because I want to make sure I'm hitting the 1.5GPH+ mark. I tried using "Martins Pump and Rad Optimizer" but its so out of date with new rads that its useless to me.

So far I know my MCP655 pump can handle my loop but I want to see if its moving it enough. I also want to add my rad stand to it and need to know if I need to change it up and use 2x MCP655s or use 2xMCP350(I have these with the XSPC dual pump top)

MCP655 can run:
EK-Multioption 250
OCZ Highflow CPU block
4x MCR60 Universal GPU blocks
XSPC EX480
XSPC EX360 multiport
EK-Coolstream XLT (140)

Flow is:
Res > Pump > 140 > GPU > GPU > GPU > GPU > 360 > 480 > 360(same one) > Res

If I add my 3x 360 rad stand it will look like this:

Res > Pump > 140 > 360 > 360 > 360 > GPU > GPU > GPU > GPU > 360 > 480 > 360(same one) > Res

The rad stand is about 7 feet off the floor so I have alot of tubing the loop.



The flow meter... I've been looking at the Koolance one: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_239_1090&products_id=24531 with the meter frequency adapter http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_239_1090&products_id=28876 .

Will this do what I want? Will this give me a readout like I want? If not, is there a program that will?


Thanks for the help.
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7/9/12 at 4:30am
As far as I know, the Koolance flow meter and frequency adapter are supposed to give you readings in terms of mL/min. Basically whatever RPM your fan header "sees" is in mL/min.

You'll have to do the conversions to GPH or LPH yourself. It's not very hard, you just multiply the value by 60/1000 to get the number in LPH.


I'm honestly doubtful that a single Liang D5 will give you greater than 1 GPH flow rates with a loop of that size. That's a ton of GPU blocks coupled with a CPU block and all of those radiators. That's a lot of fittings for all of those blocks too.

Martin's spreadsheet isn't too out of date. Radiators are just a bunch of parallel tubes, use an MCR320 as a worst case stand-in for most any radiator (except a Black Ice GTX).
Edited by earthwormjim - 7/9/12 at 4:46am
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post #3 of 29
7/17/12 at 2:22pm
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So it shows 1460-1475 RPM for the flow meter...

60/1000 = .06 * 1475 = 88.5 LPH

88.5 / 3.78 = 23.41 GPH

23.41 / 60 = .39 GPM

That right? That's insanely low.
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7/17/12 at 3:38pm
Use a converter. After all, everyone reading this has access to a computer and the internet. Google is your friend.

http://www.convertunits.com/from/ml/to/gallon+%5BUS,+liquid%5D

Yes, your flow is low. What did you really expect with four GPUs in the loop and all of those rads?
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7/17/12 at 3:58pm
Makes sense, you've got a ton of tubing, a ton of radiators and a ton of blocks all running off of one pump. I can't even enter that loop into Martin's estimator spreadsheet, it's too big! Your build log shows a lot of elbows and quick disconnects too.

Maybe you should look into an Iwaki pump or at the very least get another D5 like you mentioned in your original post.
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post #6 of 29
7/17/12 at 11:20pm
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Don't get me wrong, I expected it to be low. But I expected it to be closer to .5 GPM.

I took out the 655 and installed 2x DDC-1 using a XSPC dual pump block.

Flow rate went up to .44 GPM, still way too low as I want to get close to 1.5 GPM.


So I'm going to look on PPCs right now and pick up a dual 655 pump top, not sure which one. Hopefully 2 pumps will be enough. If not, I'm gonna have to find some place to put a third.
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7/17/12 at 11:44pm
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0.44 GPM sounds very low, I'm running a loop with dual MCP350's that has these components :
Apogee HD cpu block
2 * EK-VGA Supreme HF Bridge Edition universal gpu blocks
Aquaero 5 waterblock
Aquacomputer HF flowmeter
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So I have couple of gpu blocks less but all my blocks are more restrictive. With all those blocks and radiators flow rate is still 1.3 GPM.
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7/17/12 at 11:46pm
for 1.5 GPM you need LOTS of pumping power

i have raystorm+2x 580 hydrocopper + EX360+RX360+RX480 and with 2x PMP400 @ MAX (noisy) the koolance flow meter says 4400rpm, so i have 260 LT/H or 1.16GPM (never use the pumps with this settings because are too noisy for me), at 70% of power i have 3350rpmm or 0.90GPM, so i think is normal that with a single D5 that as much greater flow rate than the DDC, but lower head pressure, you have a really low flow rate with lots of waterblock.

if you want 1.5gpm you must put many pumps in series or choose a powerful pump, like a SANSO PDH 054 IT9 24V for example:

* power req. 24V cc
* max consumption 2,3 A
* motor's power 55 W
* head pressure 19 mt
* flow rate 600 lt/h

with a really powerful head pressure of 19mt (a DDC like the PMP400 has 8.7mt....) you can run lots of waterblock-radiators-tubing without big loss in flow rate.

but as far as i know this pump is sold only by an italian watercooling shop:

http://www.ybris-cooling.it/sanso-attacchi-filettati-p-1952.html?cPath=35_222

there is also a 12v versione of this pump, the SANSO PDH 054 12V

http://www.ybris-cooling.it/sanso-attacchi-filettati-p-1260.html?cPath=35_221
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7/17/12 at 11:49pm
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Ya, again it seems lower than expected. I have 2x MCP355 that I will try tonight and if that does not show a mark improvement, then I'll order a dual D5/655 pump top.

Right now I'm debating either a dual bay dual pump res: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_318_658&products_id=33254

or

Just a dual pump top: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_439_773&products_id=28420


The only reason the dual bay dual pump res sounds apealing is because if it still isn't enough, I can add the dual DDC pumps to the loop to help out.
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Dual D5's have lower head pressure than dual MCP355's so you will be wasting your money for nothing if you expect to get a higher flow rate with them.
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