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post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by EVGA_JacobF 

We found the issue and have corrected it.

It occurs because of a tolerance on screws, and if the screws are overtightened it can cause the PEM to be disconnected.

We have already corrected the problem, and all new units will have the fix.

Secondly this does not affect any of the other blocks.

http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1667145
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by PeteJM View Post

Sadly I wanted to see how the HydroCopper Block would perform. I was originally going to get a Koolance block from FrozenCPU but Mike @ EVGA swayed me towards their HydroCopper. Im somewhat still dis-appointed as the frustration right now is out-weighting the good things.
Evga hydrocoppers generally have more restriction than other water blocks out there
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post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Shogon View Post

http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1667145

Let me expand on this. It occurs because the screws are 1MM to long and push against the block itself somewhat. Causing the screw-rivets to seperate a bit.
post #14 of 22
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Some reference photos of why this happens.

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Lifted Rivets...

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More Rivets...

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GPU 1... Mind you the other GPU was perfect....

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GPU 2.... Wow, perfect...

One rivet actually came completely out of the block when I was writing this. Hammered the rest back in with my weighted jewlers hammer... Pretty much everyone that popped out though has a mark right under the rivet where the screw hit.

So Jacob says that its because of the screws being over-tightened? Note how I used less force than I use with the most delicate of watches I repair and those hold up even better and weight in at 1/8th of what these card waterblocks do...

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No offense to Jacob or EVGA but I think the "over tightened" excuse is just that, an excuse and not a real reason. The REASON is that the screws are just to damn long and they are to damn small for the PCB itself. The screw-heads are 3 MM give or take wide, while the stock nVidia screw heads are much wider and contact the whole surface of the PCB without having to be sunk in. If they give me the same screws but shorter, I am just going to order a Koolance block from FrozenCPU.

Here is a side by side of the two screws. The EVGA/Swiftech on the right, and nVidia Stock Torx on the left.

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Edited by PeteJM - 7/9/12 at 1:59pm
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Juggalo23451 View Post

This is why I just get the card its self and then get a aftermarket waterblock like koolance.

PeteJM, I’m sorry to hear about your troubles. I had originally planned to get the EVGA Hydro Copper Waterblock for my GTX 690s, but I got tired of waiting for them to be released. I went with the Koolance VID-NX690 waterblocks instead. I also had an issue mounting the Koolance waterblocks, although it wasn’t frustrating and disappointing like your experience.

The Koolance instructions invite you to reuse the stock screws if they fit. As a result, I initially reused some of the stock Torx screws as well as the spring loaded Phillips screws that surround the GPUs.

However, the stock spring loaded Phillips screws can lead to a problem when you have two cards in Quad SLI. The slight extra downward pressure on the lower block caused by the weight transferred through the connector tubing (bridging the gap between the first and second cards in the water loop) is actually enough pressure to unseat the waterblock from the GPU when using spring loaded screws.

Now I’m sure the stock spring loaded Phillips screws are fine when there’s no possibility of any weight pushing against the stock heat sink, such is the design of the stock air-cooler. However, for the Koolance VID-NX690 waterblocks, I was forced to remount and replace the stock spring loaded Philips screws with the regular washers and screws provided with the Koolance kit.

Like you said, you’ll know right away if one of your GPUs is not seated correctly because your GPU temperature under the smallest load will rocket over 80C, and I’m sure that under any heavier load the card would have shutdown. Fortunately, remounting with the correct washers and screws definitely solves the problem.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by robertevanshine View Post

PeteJM, I’m sorry to hear about your troubles. I had originally planned to get the EVGA Hydro Copper Waterblock for my GTX 690s, but I got tired of waiting for them to be released. I went with the Koolance VID-NX690 waterblocks instead. I also had an issue mounting the Koolance waterblocks, although it wasn’t frustrating and disappointing like your experience.
The Koolance instructions invite you to reuse the stock screws if they fit. As a result, I initially reused some of the stock Torx screws as well as the spring loaded Phillips screws that surround the GPUs.
However, the stock spring loaded Phillips screws can lead to a problem when you have two cards in Quad SLI. The slight extra downward pressure on the lower block caused by the weight transferred through the connector tubing (bridging the gap between the first and second cards in the water loop) is actually enough pressure to unseat the waterblock from the GPU when using spring loaded screws.
Now I’m sure the stock spring loaded Phillips screws are fine when there’s no possibility of any weight pushing against the stock heat sink, such is the design of the stock air-cooler. However, for the Koolance VID-NX690 waterblocks, I was forced to remount and replace the stock spring loaded Philips screws with the regular washers and screws provided with the Koolance kit.
Like you said, you’ll know right away if one of your GPUs is not seated correctly because your GPU temperature under the smallest load will rocket over 80C, and I’m sure that under any heavier load the card would have shutdown. Fortunately, remounting with the correct washers and screws definitely solves the problem.

Thanks for the info! Now this is actually useful!

Update as well - New EVGA block came in and it has smaller hardware. Thats getting shipped back to Performance PCs today hopefully. Sadly I had accidently left the compression fitting on my rig (The clamp ring) and I dont want to drain it until I install the Koolance block which is coming later today. I hope EVGA does not charge me for the old HC block while I am shuffling hardware about! tongue.gif

Otherwise, cant wait to have the 690 back under water, the stock air cooler performs well, but its a PITA to take on and off.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by robertevanshine View Post

PeteJM, I’m sorry to hear about your troubles. I had originally planned to get the EVGA Hydro Copper Waterblock for my GTX 690s, but I got tired of waiting for them to be released. I went with the Koolance VID-NX690 waterblocks instead. I also had an issue mounting the Koolance waterblocks, although it wasn’t frustrating and disappointing like your experience.
The Koolance instructions invite you to reuse the stock screws if they fit. As a result, I initially reused some of the stock Torx screws as well as the spring loaded Phillips screws that surround the GPUs.
However, the stock spring loaded Phillips screws can lead to a problem when you have two cards in Quad SLI. The slight extra downward pressure on the lower block caused by the weight transferred through the connector tubing (bridging the gap between the first and second cards in the water loop) is actually enough pressure to unseat the waterblock from the GPU when using spring loaded screws.
Now I’m sure the stock spring loaded Phillips screws are fine when there’s no possibility of any weight pushing against the stock heat sink, such is the design of the stock air-cooler. However, for the Koolance VID-NX690 waterblocks, I was forced to remount and replace the stock spring loaded Philips screws with the regular washers and screws provided with the Koolance kit.
Like you said, you’ll know right away if one of your GPUs is not seated correctly because your GPU temperature under the smallest load will rocket over 80C, and I’m sure that under any heavier load the card would have shutdown. Fortunately, remounting with the correct washers and screws definitely solves the problem.
I never reuse the screws(stock that came with the card). I always use the screws koolance gives you
Edited by Juggalo23451 - 7/12/12 at 9:11am
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post #18 of 22
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I never reuse the screws(stock that came with the card). I always use the screws koolance gives you

Yep, I used all of the screws koolance had sent me. Awesome block BTW. Worked the first time smile.gif
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Yep, I used all of the screws koolance had sent me. Awesome block BTW. Worked the first time smile.gif
awesome and glad to hear how are your temps on the card??
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awesome and glad to hear how are your temps on the card??

Ice cold currently, Under load I dont go over 40 C round about.
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