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Originally Posted by supermi View Post

Alright guys,
So it seems the lightnings don't have too much more OC headroom than the Classies and in my case 4gb makes a difference ...
So here is the question I can afford 4 Classies with the air coolers and already have 2 universal waterblocks and can get 2 more cheaply or I can wait and afford 3 classified HC ... which do you think is the better choice... as I write this I am leaning towards 4 with universal blocks due to limited voltage tweaking!!! ???
You guys know I had the lightnings and would have stayed with 2 or 3 of those if I was still on one monitor, but now with 3 I want 4gb vram and yes the classifieds are overpriced but I need some room for overvolting LOL
if I do not hear any feedback I will likely just buy the 4 of em within the hour LOL
COOL BEANZ
That's honestly how I see it...Both cards are a pretty bad value and priced the same. The 4GB on the Classy is where the extra cost comes from. I have a hard time justifiying either product.
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Originally Posted by Benchmarksli View Post

Yeah, because you own one....rolleyes.gif That 2GB will be pushing it after the new consoles come out. $600.00 down the drain unless you resale it pretty soon.

Go pound sand. You've contributed nothing to this thread of value. Yes, as I said, it is better IMO. All high end cards lose value. The purpose of them is not to retain or attain investment. We're not talking 401K here.... rolleyes.gif
post #1203 of 7827
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Originally Posted by supermi View Post

Alright guys,
So it seems the lightnings don't have too much more OC headroom than the Classies and in my case 4gb makes a difference ...
So here is the question I can afford 4 Classies with the air coolers and already have 2 universal waterblocks and can get 2 more cheaply or I can wait and afford 3 classified HC ... which do you think is the better choice... as I write this I am leaning towards 4 with universal blocks due to limited voltage tweaking!!! ???
You guys know I had the lightnings and would have stayed with 2 or 3 of those if I was still on one monitor, but now with 3 I want 4gb vram and yes the classifieds are overpriced but I need some room for overvolting LOL
if I do not hear any feedback I will likely just buy the 4 of em within the hour LOL
COOL BEANZ

The classified cannot be realisitically overvolted. Keep in mind that over volting with EV Bot doesn't allow you to offset voltages, so if you over volt to 1.3V you will be at 1.3V even at idle...

whereas with AB 2.2.3 it has offset voltages , your voltage will adjust in respect to the voltage reuqested by the driver...so for instance if the driver goes to .95V at idle, +100mV will give you 1.1V with afterburner 2.2.3. Overvolting with the classified is only viable if you are on water, basically. Personally for 4gb i'd get a couple of 670s or 680 reference 4gb and be done with it.

IMHO, the approach with afterburner 2.2.3 is superior to what EV Bot is doing because it allows offset voltages whereas EV Bot forces a 24/7 voltage and it doesn't not persist after turning your computer off and back on. Obviously, nvidia doesn't want us messing with these things but we still have the original lightning BIOS with ab 2.2.3 so I think it is the better approach.

Of course, you want 4gb so your selection is more limited in terms of what products you can buy. But i'd be hesitant to get classifieds for over volting because the situation with Classy overvolting is not ideal to say the least. Not having offset voltages will result in high temperatures even at idle. Now if you're going water, have at it. Thats the *only way* it will be viable IMHO.
Edited by xoleras - 7/24/12 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Benchmarksli View Post

Yeah, because you own one....rolleyes.gif That 2GB will be pushing it after the new consoles come out. $600.00 down the drain unless you resale it pretty soon.

Unless new consoles are doing 5760x1200 this isn't true. 2gb is fine for all single monitor resolutions.

Note that I don't have anything against 4gb, but it is only useful for surround. If you're using triple monitor, 4gb is the way to go. Single monitor, there is no reason to use more than 2gb.
post #1205 of 7827
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Originally Posted by Bosniac View Post

Go pound sand. You've contributed nothing to this thread of value. Yes, as I said, it is better IMO. All high end cards lose value. The purpose of them is not to retain or attain investment. We're not talking 401K here.... rolleyes.gif
Yeah, throw insults because you're butt hurt. rolleyes.gif You're so darn defensive iit's funny. I can see you sitting by the pc turning red as soon as you see my user name appear lol


Actually I've contributed a lot more than you in my last few post than you have since the beginning of this thread. You and your aggressive attitude, for what? You look like a clown.
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Helped my 3dMark11 score a bit. Voltage seems to have given me roughly 50mhz on each card's core. Not bad I suppose.

Had a run of P19,917, 10pts out of 1st Place for air-cooled 680s on HWBot, but froze up on the next run and forgot to save the link. Xoleras, when you get a 3930k you'll destroy 1st Place thumb.gif
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post #1207 of 7827
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Unless new consoles are doing 5760x1200 this isn't true. 2gb is fine for all single monitor resolutions.
Note that I don't have anything against 4gb, but it is only useful for surround. If you're using triple monitor, 4gb is the way to go. Single monitor, there is no reason to use more than 2gb.
I should've clarified, but you are right, 4gb is more suited for surround. I game at 2560x1440 and the 'New Dawn" demo nearly saturated all of it. For maxing games at this resolution and above, we're definitely coming close to reaching that point.



btw...Have you saved your BIOS using NVFlash?
post #1208 of 7827
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Originally Posted by Benchmarksli View Post

Yeah, throw insults because you're butt hurt. rolleyes.gif You're so darn defensive iit's funny. I can see you sitting by the pc turning red as soon as you see my user name appear lol
Actually I've contributed a lot more than you in my last few post than you have since the beginning of this thread. You and your aggressive attitude, for what? You look like a clown.

I said I think it's better IMO. Why wouldn't I? This is a Lightning thread first and foremost, not Classified. And performance wise, they are even. Even at higher resolutions. If one is so concerned about surround setup, two 7970's would have been a smarter purchase, and smoke the Classy.

Again, this is a Lightning discussion, and you can try to disprove anyone's opinion all you want.
post #1209 of 7827
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

As long as people sitll have the original BIOS circulating we should be good to go...
I don't have MS DOS 6.22 disks so i'm not sure how to get a DOS Boot going to extract the BIOS....i'm 99% sure you can't do it from a DOS window..
NvFlash 5.118 and above can be ran in windows using cmd.... I use it to save/flash my BIOS files quite often. If you need help or a walk though Xoleras, just shoot me a pm. thumb.gif


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Bummer... I tried this last night to flash a card, but it didn't work. (got a bunch of weird green artifacting all over the screen), so I assumed I had to boot in dos instead of doing it via cmd in windows... hmmm...
It works. Are you familiar with running programs using command prompt?
Edited by Benchmarksli - 7/24/12 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by Benchmarksli View Post

NvFlash 5.118 and above can be ran in windows using cmd.... I use it to save/flash my BIOS files quite often. If you need help or a walk though Xoleras, just shoot me a pm. thumb.gif

Bummer... I tried this last night to flash a card, but it didn't work. (got a bunch of weird green artifacting all over the screen), so I assumed I had to boot in dos instead of doing it via cmd in windows... hmmm...
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