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Originally Posted by Bosniac View Post

MSi Lightning 680 is the best 680 IMO. It is by far the coolest running, and highest OC capable cards.

I dont doubt its the best OC capable GTX 680 but im willing to bet its not as cool as my Asus Direct 2 GTX 680. This thing is crazy, I have the fan locked at a silent 40% fan speed and my load temps after hours of heavy gaming are in the high 40's.

Thats at 1264mhz core and 500+ on the mem.
post #262 of 7827
Sorry to say, I am returning my GTX680 Lightning due to no software support for core and Memory voltage adjustments. As we all know, MSI advertises this extensively. I purchased the lightning in part on this ability. As indicated here, we have concerns if the software (Afterburner 2.2.3) will become available at all.

After reading through a few reviews I just purchased Two (2) MSI 7870 Hawks. Hardware wise, they have the same high quality custom designed PCB and components. These are the badboys of 7870's. People are hitting 1300-1400 Core and has core and memory voltage adjustment. Staying with MSI, great product. If alright with you guys I can post benchmarks here. If not, I will post them on another thread.
post #263 of 7827
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Originally Posted by RobsM6S View Post

I dont doubt its the best OC capable GTX 680 but im willing to bet its not as cool as my Asus Direct 2 GTX 680. This thing is crazy, I have the fan locked at a silent 40% fan speed and my load temps after hours of heavy gaming are in the high 40's.
Thats at 1264mhz core and 500+ on the mem.

High 40's, eh? That's fantastic. I haven't seen many go under 60c tbh.
post #264 of 7827
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Originally Posted by Bosniac View Post

High 40's, eh? That's fantastic. I haven't seen many go under 60c tbh.

Yep and thats just at 40% fan speed to boot. Just got done playing bf3 and checked temps at 48c. Keep in mind the cooler on this card is pretty massive though but it works really well.
post #265 of 7827
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Originally Posted by Cool Mike View Post

Sorry to say, I am returning my GTX680 Lightning due to no software support for core and Memory voltage adjustments. As we all know, MSI advertises this extensively. I purchased the lightning in part on this ability. As indicated here, we have concerns if the software (Afterburner 2.2.3) will become available at all.
After reading through a few reviews I just purchased Two (2) MSI 7870 Hawks. Hardware wise, they have the same high quality custom designed PCB and components. These are the badboys of 7870's. People are hitting 1300-1400 Core and has core and memory voltage adjustment. Staying with MSI, great product. If alright with you guys I can post benchmarks here. If not, I will post them on another thread.

I just checked newegg.com out of curiosity and those cards are 339.99. HD 7950's are not much more than that and should give much better performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127667

Edit-
HD 7950's are also 339.99. I seriously hope you didnt pay the same price for the 7870 hawk when you could get 2 7950's for the same price and run circles around the 7870's.
Edited by RobsM6S - 7/12/12 at 3:19pm
post #266 of 7827
I just wrote this email to corporate. I'll keep you updated.
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To whom it may concern,

Hello, my name is ***** ****** and I've been a loyal MSi customer for years. Opting to buy computer components selectively on the best possible performance or value. Recently, I have purchased your product that I acquired information from your website. Namely the MSi GTX 680 2GB Lightning.  Seen here: http://us.msi.com/product/vga/N680GTX-Lightning.html

This card is unique, according to you, MSi, for having "Triple Overvoltage" and "Unlocked Digital Power" overclocking.

Well, as it turns out that, that is not the case. Not only does it not allow full unlocked voltage control, neither the memory voltage, or auxiliary overclocking is available using the LATEST MSi Afterburner software (2.2.2).

So, why was I led to believe that a product you advertised, and still continue to do so, had features it does not possess? Not only on your website, but on the actual packaging itself? Not to mention vendors selling your product.

I paid an extra premium over your competitors similar product, (MSRP $499 vs $599), yet receive equal, or less of a performance relative to price paid!?

The response that I have received from MSi technical support on this was alarming:

"Those features are not yet available. We are working on the newest MSi Afterburner to support Triple Overvoltage on the Lightning GTX680, and GTX670 Power Edition"

That was exactly the response I received.
So the features were advertised before they were implemented? That is false advertising and a deceptive practice on part of MSi.

I am hereby informing you that I am demanding a full refund for the product from the vendor I purchased it from, or equal compensation for the product.

I am not the only one that is rather furious about this. If you were to visit some of the most popular forums, blogs and sites, you'll see the same outrage from your customers.

I would take this matter seriously.

I thank you for continuing to make great products available, because I know you make high grade components, having been a customer for over 10 years. But I cannot continue, nor recommended to support your company at this time.

Thank you, sincerely
***** ******

Edited by Bosniac - 7/12/12 at 4:09pm
post #267 of 7827
And do you think a MSI employee, who takes decisions to MSI will answer your mail ? Don't get me wrong, but is a very high change to get a boring reply from a standard employee, who hasn't the ability to answer for real to your question.
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post #268 of 7827
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I dont doubt its the best OC capable GTX 680 but im willing to bet its not as cool as my Asus Direct 2 GTX 680. This thing is crazy, I have the fan locked at a silent 40% fan speed and my load temps after hours of heavy gaming are in the high 40's.
Thats at 1264mhz core and 500+ on the mem.



Things to consider when determining how effective a cooler is: Shroud density, fan speed, and size. The DC2 is 3 slot so it wins on size however the fan RPM is much, much slower. At maximum settings the TF4 cools better, and yes I have used DC2 products. While the DC2 is a great cooler, the key point here is that the fans run signifigantly slower at their maximum setting - the TF4 is designed to scale with temperatures and if you set it at 100% fan speed the fans (3 of them) run at 4300rpm. That is nearly twice what the DC2 runs at, and the DC2 is double fan.

So to summarize:

DC2 - 3 slot, 2 fans, low fan RPM.
TF4 - 2 slot, 3 fans, extremely high fan RPM.

Cooling performance doesn't have subjectivity, you can easily determine the effectiveness by the specs and design. I have little doubt looking at specs alone that the TF4 is capable of better tempreatures IF you set it at high manual fan settings. The TF4 absolutely will cool better at 100% than the DC2 cools at 100%, from an engineering standpoint.

Aside from that, there are people who want to RMA over principle and while that is their right- I could see doing that when your sponsorship for HWBot scores depends on it, or if your paycheck depends on it. Different strokes for different folks perhaps, their right though. I would love to purchase some of these 1380+ mhz lightnings though, hit me up if you're pissed off about no voltage yet hit 1380+ mhz. I know people who will be glad to rid you of your first world problem wink.gif. This is just my opinion of course, I am in no way absolving MSI of advertising these features without implementing them. They are definitely 100% in the wrong on this. I guess I just don't care though because I just play games for the most part, and the MSI lightning already does 1.27V on bios 2 which is perhaps overlooked by everyone here.
Edited by xoleras - 7/12/12 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by CalinTM View Post

And do you think a MSI employee, who takes decisions to MSI will answer your mail ? Don't get me wrong, but is a very high change to get a boring reply from a standard employee, who hasn't the ability to answer for real to your question.

I've sent this to a few "upper level" heads as well. And, no, I am not naive. I am actually quite serious.
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Ok, i hope you will have your answer ! smile.gif
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