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First off, do you live in an oven? Those temps are WAY too high for this card. Is your case well vented? Second, your scores are quite a bit lower. We had several people here baseline the card around 49-50fps stock. Up to 56fps when OC'd. Is 1302MHz the maximum stable OC?
Try turning off PC, re-seating the card back into the slot, or try the PCI-E 2.0 slot. Install newest BETA drivers.

I tired all of these (change slot, set pci-e 2.0, using newest beta, reflash R4E BIOS to the latest 1404 ver), but I am still 10% lower than everyone's score (Heaven Extreme stock at 46.2 fps) at the same setting.....
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I tired all of these (change slot, set pci-e 2.0, using newest beta, reflash R4E BIOS to the latest 1404 ver), but I am still 10% lower than everyone's score (Heaven Extreme stock at 46.2 fps) at the same setting.....

RMA it. Sorry to say it. Unless someone else has a better idea.
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Which card are you going for next bosniac? What happened to the other cards again, did they not overclock high enough for you? Just curious
Edited by xoleras - 7/12/12 at 4:26pm
post #274 of 7827
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I've sent this to a few "upper level" heads as well. And, no, I am not naive. I am actually quite serious.

I hope we get some sort of response. Just acknowledgement of the issue would be nice. I PM'd Alex on here but no response at all. Hes been on since the PM was sent. I understand the possibility that he is very busy or on vacation though. Hopefully we learn something soon.

I honestly bought the card for voltage control and the 2 slot cooler (previous card was a Asus TOP 680). I know it doesnt matter for gaming and I could give a **** about benchmarks. I just really like tweaking and playing with my cards especially since it will be going under water soon voltage would be nice. Idk Im just disappointed. From the way is sounds no Lighting has actually been over 1.2XX volts so we are not even sure if its possible especially with the way Unwinder sounded in his post.
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I just wrote this email to corporate. I'll keep you updated.
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To whom it may concern,
Hello, my name is ***** ****** and I've been a loyal MSi customer for years. Opting to buy computer components selectively on the best possible performance or value. Recently, I have purchased your product that I acquired information from your website. Namely the MSi GTX 680 2GB Lightning.  Seen here: http://us.msi.com/product/vga/N680GTX-Lightning.html
This card is unique, according to you, MSi, for having "Triple Overvoltage" and "Unlocked Digital Power" overclocking.
Well, as it turns out that, that is not the case. Not only does it not allow full unlocked voltage control, neither the memory voltage, or auxiliary overclocking is available using the LATEST MSi Afterburner software (2.2.2).
So, why was I led to believe that a product you advertised, and still continue to do so, had features it does not possess? Not only on your website, but on the actual packaging itself? Not to mention vendors selling your product.
I paid an extra premium over your competitors similar product, (MSRP $499 vs $599), yet receive equal, or less of a performance relative to price paid!?
The response that I have received from MSi technical support on this was alarming:
"Those features are not yet available. We are working on the newest MSi Afterburner to support Triple Overvoltage on the Lightning GTX680, and GTX670 Power Edition"
That was exactly the response I received.
So the features were advertised before they were implemented? That is false advertising and a deceptive practice on part of MSi.
I am hereby informing you that I am demanding a full refund for the product from the vendor I purchased it from, or equal compensation for the product.
I am not the only one that is rather furious about this. If you were to visit some of the most popular forums, blogs and sites, you'll see the same outrage from your customers.
I would take this matter seriously.
I thank you for continuing to make great products available, because I know you make high grade components, having been a customer for over 10 years. But I cannot continue, nor recommended to support your company at this time.
Thank you, sincerely
***** ******

I hope they will do something soon, I bought my PE just because of that feature. It would be a shame if it ends up we can't ov that card at all, even if it were advertised. That makes me wonder if I should've gone with asus this year... sadsmiley.gif
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post #276 of 7827
Thanks for asking. I did purchase from Newegg. I thought about the 7950 VS. 7870 long and hard. The problem for me was MSI doesnt make a 7950 Hawk. The 7870 hawk recieves high praise for high overclocking on memory and core also has the LN2 mode, reverse fans to help with dust, very much like the lightning series. Also uses the same high quality component as the lightning. One review had the overclocked 7870 hawk benchmarking 3Dmark11 very close to the overclocked 7950. One 3dmark11 Bench had the hawk at over P9000. The 7950's in the same price range didnt have the highend hardware(components) and cooling I was wanting. I hope it works out for me.
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Which card are you going for next bosniac? What happened to the other cards again, did they not overclock high enough for you? Just curious
Don't be silly.

I bought a GB ref 680 originally. And I put it on sale shortyly after the 670 came out, and I bought the 670 just as I sold the 680 on ebay. And the fan died on the 680 the day I was supposed to ship the card. I had to contact the buyer to inform him of a defect, and RMA the 680. I sold the GB 670 to a friend at this point, since I was getting my card back. GB sent me a brand new replacement Windforce 680, I sold it for $530, and bought the Galaxy SOC. Super fast card,I was really impressed. Crashes, driver error when stock boost, etc. I RMA that, Newegg didn't have it in stock, so I waited until it was available. I get the new card, and it's my same card, yep, the card I bought new was my old RMA'd card. I go into fury mode. Called Newegg, anand I had management involved. For my troubles I received $75 in store credit. And bought the MSi Lightning.

What next? Don't know. I think I'll save some money, and get a slower 670. I was looking at the Zotac 670 AMP. that has a decent OC, and a 5 year warranty. I am not really concerned with core clocks, at this point. Maybe I'll just reinstall my GTX 295-COOP, and wait for GTX780.
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Things to consider when determining how effective a cooler is: Shroud density, fan speed, and size. The DC2 is 3 slot so it wins on size however the fan RPM is much, much slower. At maximum settings the TF4 cools better, and yes I have used DC2 products. While the DC2 is a great cooler, the key point here is that the fans run signifigantly slower at their maximum setting - the TF4 is designed to scale with temperatures and if you set it at 100% fan speed the fans (3 of them) run at 4300rpm. That is nearly twice what the DC2 runs at, and the DC2 is double fan.
So to summarize:
DC2 - 3 slot, 2 fans, low fan RPM.
TF4 - 2 slot, 3 fans, extremely high fan RPM.
Cooling performance doesn't have subjectivity, you can easily determine the effectiveness by the specs and design. I have little doubt looking at specs alone that the TF4 is capable of better tempreatures IF you set it at high manual fan settings. The TF4 absolutely will cool better at 100% than the DC2 cools at 100%, from an engineering standpoint.
Aside from that, there are people who want to RMA over principle and while that is their right- I could see doing that when your sponsorship for HWBot scores depends on it, or if your paycheck depends on it. Different strokes for different folks perhaps, their right though. I would love to purchase some of these 1380+ mhz lightnings though, hit me up if you're pissed off about no voltage yet hit 1380+ mhz. I know people who will be glad to rid you of your first world problem wink.gif. This is just my opinion of course, I am in no way absolving MSI of advertising these features without implementing them. They are definitely 100% in the wrong on this. I guess I just don't care though because I just play games for the most part, and the MSI lightning already does 1.27V on bios 2 which is perhaps overlooked by everyone here.

I will pit this cooler against the TF4 any day of the week and not only will mine be quieter but it will also keep the core far cooler even with both operating at 100% fan speed. No doubt the TF4 is a good cooler but its outclassed in temps and noise levels by the DC2.
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I would love to purchase some of these 1380+ mhz lightnings though, hit me up if you're pissed off about no voltage yet hit 1380+ mhz. I know people who will be glad to rid you of your first world problem wink.gif. This is just my opinion of course, I am in no way absolving MSI of advertising these features without implementing them. They are definitely 100% in the wrong on this. I guess I just don't care though because I just play games for the most part, and the MSI lightning already does 1.27V on bios 2 which is perhaps overlooked by everyone here.

That I absolutely agree with. thumb.gif
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I will pit this cooler against the TF4 any day of the week and not only will mine be quieter but it will also keep the core far cooler even with both operating at 100% fan speed. No doubt the TF4 is a good cooler but its outclassed in temps and noise levels by the DC2.

You're going a bit overboard there IMHO.. The fans on the TF4 run twice as fast and there are 3 fans on the TF4 versus 2 on the DC2.

Again, cooling all boils down to density, fan speed, and design. The DC2 wins on density but loses considerably in every other respect. I'm not saying the DC2 is bad but your statement again, seems outlandish. Especially when you say "outclassed" which is simply not true. If anything since the fans on the TF4 can run up to 4300rpm, it would easily win with all other factors equal (ambient temps, etc)

*Please don't take this as me saying the DC2 is bad, it definitely isn't. However from an engineering standpoint the TF4 should win, and they should be close to each other performance wise. There is no "outclassed" here, period. The other factor is that the DC2 is horrible for SLI since it is 3 slot.....most motherboards with 2 of those in SLI would have both cards physically touching each other. That is awful for obvious reasons.
Edited by xoleras - 7/12/12 at 5:04pm
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