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wow wait really *** im about to sell my card to buy a lightning noo????
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Despite all that MSI has binned the Lightnings nicely , a lot of them incl. mine can run games @1300MHz and more on stock voltage and I m sure that community and /or Unwinder will come up with some kind of a nice solution to this...

Apart from that , to me it is an appalling move from the Nvidia side !
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Despite all that MSI has binned the Lightnings nicely , a lot of them incl. mine can run games @1300MHz and more on stock voltage and I m sure that community and /or Unwinder will come up with some kind of a nice solution to this...
Apart from that , to me it is an appalling move from the Nvidia side !

Well on my Ln2 bios it needs about 18mv extra to get to 1300 :/. And thats already with +50mv over the standard 1.175V default max for the regular bios. So yeah, less than 1300mhz is not gonna cut it for such a premium price payed. Actually I wonder if we have any recourse to return the card as we essentially payed for things SAID ON THE BOX OF THE DAM PRODUCT (caps lock for angry face biggrin.gif) that we cannot use? Wonder what msi would do if all their lightnings came back to them? But with that, really bad form Nvidia. Obviously on a business front you want to avoid returning fried cards (that are probably out of warranty anyway!?!) but the damage done for your image to the extreme power user is tarnished now.
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The version doesn't expire because its an official version, so you can use it indefinitely. Just use AB 2.2.3. The performance difference from 1300-1400mhz in games is roughly 1 frame per second (and i've tested it in tons of games) so I honestly don't care either way. But I do get a big jump in 3dmark11 performance. Some people are just hilarious about getting that extra 20mhz though. I saw some guy in the galaxy thread return his card because it would "only" do 1285 MHz. Anyway...I find the whole thing hilarious because there's no real world games performance difference in games between even 1300-1400mhz.

With that said, I get it based on principle, something is promised and not delivered - so being upset is completely understandable. Don't misunderstand me, its a completely valid concern. I guess it just doesn't bother me because I'll simply not upgrade my afterburner -- Anyways, nvidia better not do this with their future high end SKUs ,i'm not paying 100$ more for voltage control when AMD offers it for free, and has comparable performance.
Edited by xoleras - 9/17/12 at 5:20am
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The version doesn't expire because its an official version, so you can use it indefinitely. Just use AB 2.2.3. The performance difference from 1300-1400mhz in games is roughly 1 frame per second (and i've tested it in tons of games) so I honestly don't care either way. But I do get a big jump in 3dmark11 performance. Some people are just hilarious about getting that extra 20mhz though. I saw some guy in the galaxy thread return his card because it would "only" do 1285 MHz. Anyway...I find the whole thing hilarious because there's no real world games performance difference in games between even 1300-1400mhz.
With that said, I get it based on principle, something is promised and not delivered - so being upset is completely understandable. Don't misunderstand me, its a completely valid concern. I guess it just doesn't bother me because I'll simply not upgrade my afterburner -- Anyways, nvidia better not do this with their future high end SKUs ,i'm not paying 100$ more for voltage control when AMD offers it for free, and has comparable performance.
True that. Can't let something you have no control over bother you too much. There are options.
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True that. Can't let something you have no control over bother you too much. There are options.

unless Nvidia locks/restricts the drivers as well so you can only use the old drivers......or someone could "hack" the drivers or something wink.gif
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I do agree completely with you on this, as stated before. There is one more concern , however, that Nvidia might cripple the voltage tweaking
through the next driver releases. I have read that the standard voltage control is in GTX 680 achieved by drivers .

Apart from that I m, too , running my games at 1300MHz at stock voltage. smile.gif
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Famich I do really envy your luck getting golden chips! biggrin.gif

Mine's need +68mv to get to 1300 core heaven stable redface.gif. At least I can reach 7000 on mems at +50mv, got 4 extra fps en heaven just with mem oc (1350pts vs 1225pts). Really surprised me how much of a performance increase mem oc represents in this card. I can settle down with 1300/7000 (was my goal when bought it), just wish I could achieve it without voltage tweaking so to avoid this nvidia/msi restriction hassle.

One little doubt I have, if I save my profile with +68mv, when I reaply it, it goes down to 62m. The only way to have +68mv aplied from start is to save a profile with +74mv so it goes down to +68mv when applied. Actual aplied offset seems to be replaced by target offset when profiles get saved.

Is that correct or am I misunderstanding something? Btw: using stock fan profile I get 69º core and 64º vrm on heaven, are those readings acceptable or must I use a more agressive custom profile? Like to keep it silent if possible...

I agree with you all about nvidia restriction and msi obsequious, it's definitely wrong, but most probably a workaround will be found (I wish so, if not I'll lose 100mhz on core and 1000Mhz on memory, my card does not overclock over 25mhz core and 100mhz memory without added voltage (it sucks, I know)). So, if the lockup is definitive, I'll lose that nearly 15% performance bunch I get from voltage tweaking this card, and taking into acount we all paid MSi for that voltage tweaking, I feel they are now "stealing" it from us. I would like to know how many of us would have bought the lightning if it had no voltage tweaking from scratch (5% perhaps?). I would personaly have gone for a reference if wanted to save, or for a CUII if wanted granted performance (in most cases they can reach 1300/7000 with no extra voltage added). Just my 2 cents...

Kind Regards and thanks in advance!
Edited by elbubi - 9/17/12 at 7:17am
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Well on my Ln2 bios it needs about 18mv extra to get to 1300 :/. And thats already with +50mv over the standard 1.175V default max for the regular bios. So yeah, less than 1300mhz is not gonna cut it for such a premium price payed. Actually I wonder if we have any recourse to return the card as we essentially payed for things SAID ON THE BOX OF THE DAM PRODUCT (caps lock for angry face biggrin.gif) that we cannot use? Wonder what msi would do if all their lightnings came back to them? But with that, really bad form Nvidia. Obviously on a business front you want to avoid returning fried cards (that are probably out of warranty anyway!?!) but the damage done for your image to the extreme power user is tarnished now.

You should been here back when the gripe of the day was that unlocked voltage was never going to happen, some guys even returned cards because they were convinced that voltage control wouldn't happen.

Then AB 2.2.3 came out and it was pretty quiet around here for a bit.

I still run the OC profiles I had set up in AB 2.2.2, I only fire up 2.2.3 if I'm going to do a benchmark. I won't bother with 2.2.4.

I can see where guys would be bummed that Nvidia seems to be doing everything possible to piss off their customers, and if I bought a Lightning with a locked BIOS and now crippled AB, I'd be sending that sucker back with an angry letter and a copy of an AMD invoice. This is freaking ridiculous (there is no "e" in ridiculous, FWIW).

My only other thought on the matter is this: A LOT of cards got returned because they wouldn't hit some magical arbitrary clock figure. Nothing wrong with the cards. Nvidia might have seen that as a consequence of having an "overclockable" product and decided, "Here is the voltage and clocks you can run. Now just use the thing and be happy."
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You may have a point here, I have seen some freaks doing the same in Germany on the well known German OC forum biggrin.gif
Ridiculous
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