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I searously doubt MSI will totally lock us out..they could have this gen..MSI is known for voltage. Bit I may join the red side next genf nvidia keeps up this garbage
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I searously doubt MSI will totally lock us out..they could have this gen..MSI is known for voltage. Bit I may join the red side next genf nvidia keeps up this garbage
Nvidia saws on his own limb who sitting there...
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I searously doubt MSI will totally lock us out..they could have this gen..MSI is known for voltage. Bit I may join the red side next genf nvidia keeps up this garbage

The cards were made before Nvidia cracked the whip. The first few thousand Lightnings had the unlocked LN2 BIOS and 2.2.3 allowed for voltage up to 1.36v. Then the BIOSs started getting locked, then Afterburner 2.2.4 and after discontinued even the +93mv that we had (aside from the edit of the config file). But that edit of the config file could have just been thrown in for everyone buying the Lightnings and being promised voltage control. MSI might, right from the get-go next series, not advertise overvoltage support. That way they don't owe anyone anything that was 'promised on the box', and therefore won't have to give us a loophole so we don't throw eggs at MSI headquarters and return our overpriced unadjustable-voltage cards. Of course I'm hoping this doesn't happen, but just saying... If MSI plans right from the beginning of production on not allowing voltage control, because of recent claims from Nvidia to not cover RMAs, then the 780 Lightning will be manufactured with a set (and low) voltage in mind right from the beginning instead of what happened with the 680 Lightning.

(Damn. Just typing the words "780 Lightning" is getting me excited. I PRAY they have overvoltage support hypocritesmiley.png
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Originally Posted by DJRamses View Post

I ve found a Way to overvolt with AB 2.3.0.
Let me make some Tests. Artmoney should works. I found the new Hex-adress...
I will to confirm if it works realy.
The first Test running with 1,38V succesfully ... wink.gif

So it's just using the same methods, but the addresses are different? Did Unwinder really think we wouldn't find the addresses rolleyes.gif
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post #3994 of 7827
I think, MSI dont make a next GTX 7xx Lightning. They wrote "unlocked Digital Bios" and then..... Nothing unlocked.... no overvoltage.
I think the new gen. of Nvida have no overclock (perhaps a little overclock in a very small window) and overvolting. If nvidia do this bearing further navigates

My Tests with the AB 2.3.0 should be succesfully. 1,48V...... it works!
But we have high Temps outside... high oc...little riskly
Edited by DJRamses - 11/19/12 at 10:22am
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From Unwinder, "Sadly and traditionally with each new version launch I have to spend some time on commenting new rumors and misinformation on MSI 680 Lightning series:No, there is no additional pressure from NVIDIA side. No, there are no additional Kepler related voltage control locks in new version. No, there are no changes in idle voltage for this cards.And finally, no, I didn't became wise to what some users were doing with memory hacking tools like ArtMoney on 680 Lightning series cards. I knew about hacking voltage limits on 680 Lightning AB since the very first day and see no problems with it as soon as no modified AB versions are distributed. There are zero protections in new version against it, the only reason that 2.2.3 hacks were working on 2.2.4 and 2.2.5 was the fact that those were minor software upgrades with the same 2.2.3 binaries with changes only into the database. New compiled code require new runtime patching and someone with brains inside the head to teach you to crack new version. So those who imagined themselves "kewl haxorz" after editing application memory by someone's else insturctions and expected fixed offsets to work always should learn some basics instead of spreading the rumors."

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4457968&postcount=15
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Understandably, this guy knows what he s doing... smile.gif @dph 314 :: seeing so many cards "binned " here I must count myself lucky to buy this one card
in early August .

It brings me close to 1440 MHz on air biggrin.gif Did not attempt that ARtMoney hack , this is enough for me . But I ll be looking forward to seeing what you guys will be doing with that SS thumb.gif
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The cards were made before Nvidia cracked the whip. The first few thousand Lightnings had the unlocked LN2 BIOS and 2.2.3 allowed for voltage up to 1.36v. Then the BIOSs started getting locked, then Afterburner 2.2.4 and after discontinued even the +93mv that we had (aside from the edit of the config file). But that edit of the config file could have just been thrown in for everyone buying the Lightnings and being promised voltage control. MSI might, right from the get-go next series, not advertise overvoltage support. That way they don't owe anyone anything that was 'promised on the box', and therefore won't have to give us a loophole so we don't throw eggs at MSI headquarters and return our overpriced unadjustable-voltage cards. Of course I'm hoping this doesn't happen, but just saying... If MSI plans right from the beginning of production on not allowing voltage control, because of recent claims from Nvidia to not cover RMAs, then the 780 Lightning will be manufactured with a set (and low) voltage in mind right from the beginning instead of what happened with the 680 Lightning.
(Damn. Just typing the words "780 Lightning" is getting me excited. I PRAY they have overvoltage support hypocritesmiley.png
So it's just using the same methods, but the addresses are different? Did Unwinder really think we wouldn't find the addresses rolleyes.gif

If it was only as easy as you make it out to be, there would be no issues selling any product of any kind in the world, ever.

As for your thoughts on Unwinder, if he didn't care he would've just stopped development of AB and then you guys can have fun with the other utilities...
    
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post #3998 of 7827
Yes.. but I am willing to own, i had a first thinking nvidia push up the pressure... sorry!

thats why i made a closer look to the AB 2.3.0.
Here the solution:

On c:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles\ edit the VEN_10DE&DEV_1180....cfg. We all know it:

add this lines:
[Settings]
VDDC_Generic_Detection = 0
VDDC_CHL8318_Detection = 46h
VDDC_CHL8318_Type = 1


After starting AB2.3.0, AB wants a new start of your PC again. If you have restart your Maschine, AB adds some new Lines in the cfg file. Thats okay.
At Artmoney is all be old! But...
the new Hexaddress for overvoltage in Artmoney is: 0044C208

And then...
hex37df8.jpg
Edited by DJRamses - 11/19/12 at 10:50am
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I may be wrong but I think nvidia locked the voltage of these cards cause seeing clocks over 1400 and higher on Kepler . When the 780 comes out it will be 20 percent faster then last gen..do the math.no one would have to upgrade unless Bvram I s an issue.these cards can handle the power and not heard of one dieing cause of it. I think this gen will be locked and not next.every one would jump ship if they had no control over there cards. I mean its red vs green..and red has been showing a lot lately .
Edited by snitchkilla11 - 11/19/12 at 11:09am
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Why did Nvidia force companys to lock the voltage in the first place?

Is the voltage on Kepler chips already high? I've ran 1.36v (+93mV) since i got mine 4 months ago.. Works perfect and temps are below 70 at 1400/1800 in games. This makes me think.. Why force companys to lock the voltage?

As far as i know, 7xx series gonna be Kepler architecture too. So to get those 15-25% more performance compared to GTX 680 would require more voltage.. Right..

Maybe a 680 with unlocked voltage could actually compete with GTX 780? Maybe more CUDA cores but... You get the point

Another thing is.. We need a serious WHQL performance driver soon. I was shocked to see 7970GE beat 680 in Black Ops II. COD has always been a Nvidia title. Same with BF3.. 7970GE beats 680, even in games, 680 won few months ago. Nvidias driver department must be sleeping? Or have some ppl actually compared the image quality lately?
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