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I have been following this thread for awhile. I have this card sitting with the rest of my stuff waiting on my water kit and cpu for build. After reading about hacking etc for a feature that was the highlight of the card I think I'm going to return it toward 2 670's. At first on card release AB couldn't adjust the voltage, then it was released for voltage control, now all this...I'm over it.
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I hope there is still a gtx780 whether it allows software voltage or not, as long as it has the more robust PWM the soldering iron can always make voltage control. Software is easier for sure though (on labor & warranty).
And a wider memory bus would help
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I wonder who started all the rumors he's talking about? I hope it wasn't directed at me. I'll explain myself just in case it was though.- 'No, there is no additional pressure from NVIDIA side'- I never said there was any pressure of any kind, I've known for quite some time the partners can do whatever they want as long as they cover RMAs, No, there are no additional Kepler related voltage control locks in new version- who said there would be additional ones? Someone had a problem, and they figured it out with some help. And I speculated about the 700-series having additional ones, but that had nothing to do with the already-in-place measures there since 2.2.4, No, there are no changes in idle voltage for this cards- DJ states he has a higher idle voltage after updating Afterburner, and that's spreading a rumor? That's not posting about problems so people can help, like all of us do?, no, I didn't became wise to what some users were doing with memory hacking tools like ArtMoney on 680 Lightning series cards- So I finally read a comment about ArtMoney from him. Great, now I know he knows about it. A wild assumption I made, I know. I already apologized for it. editing application memory by someone's else insturctions and expected fixed offsets to work always should learn some basics instead of spreading the rumors- Everyone in here except for shamefulanomoly is using someone else's directions on how to do it. Not sure if he expects everyone to develop their own method?
I wonder who was spreading rumors by stating their opinions as fact and claiming a reliable source? Because like tons of others have done at one point or another, I was speculating, and not even on the 600-series at that. 'Additional methods' on the as-of-yet imaginary 780 Lightning. So, not sure what he's so pissed about. Sorry again though. Not sure how many times to apologize.

It's not you but yours is the last in a long thread of posts..

Long story short, people take media reports, dissects and analyze and interpret to match a conspiracy theory, and then present it as fact.

I don't think people actually understand the process of how this whole thing works... and understandably, if you want to blame MSI for somehow screwing this up, so be it, but there's so much more to this than just "advertise a feature that is not available".

And part of the problem of forums, is the movement of speculation into the realm of fact...

As for Afterburner, a lot of questions are really, well,... discussions HERE with zero feedback or input from the creator. If you've created something and seen it picked apart into pieces by random people on the web, you will know how that feels.
    
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the moral to the story is..you cannot make people happy.people going to hate no matter what.they dont own the card..but guess what ..they hatein. i bought a 7970. now i regreat it. but your card still sucks .lol people still going to hate..with or with out voltage..i still would have picked my cards.they are stay very cool in sli and oc like a gorilla in heat..still the best kepler card to date..in my opinion anyway..and also the best looking card by far!!!
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Upgrade to 2.2.3, that'll give you +93mv = 1.36v on the 3A. Then this is the hack directions for going over +93mv-
-Download ArtMoney SE v7.39
-Open Afterburner 2.2.3
-Right-click ArtMoney and select Run as Admin, then click continue
-Select Afterburner from the drop-down list in the center
-Set the core voltage (or any voltage you want to 'edit') in Afterburner to a number other than +0 (just to help narrow results) and click Apply. For this example, we'll assume you set the core voltage to +31mv
-Click Search in ArtMoney and enter 31 in the value box and then click OK, then click OK again
-Change that same voltage in Afterburner to another number, we'll say +63mv, then click Apply
-Click Filter in ArtMoney and change the Value box to the new voltage value you just applied in Afterburner and click OK, then OK again
-Click the top arrow in ArtMoney to move the top value listed in the left column to the right column (If you did the search and filter correctly, then the addresses for each voltage you should have come up with depending what you were editing are- Core = 00449000, Memory = 00449030, Aux = 00449060)
-Once you moved one of those into the right column, right-click it and go to Set Value, enter the voltage off-set you would like, then click OK, and notice that it's changed in ArtMoney
-Now, change one of the clock speeds so that you are able to click the Apply button in Afterburner, and then click it. You will now see the edited voltage jump to the amount you entered in ArtMoney
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ENTER. Make sure the voltage sliders in Afterburner jumped to where they were supposed to before you put any type of load on the card
For DirectX, you should just be able to type dxdiag in the Search box after clicking the Windows Start icon, and see what it lists for DirectX Version. Just checked and mine says 11. It comes with Windows 7 so you should have 11 as well thumb.gif

Thanks pal.

So just to confirm, you need to do all these steps to "hack" afterburner... every single time you want to overclock with voltages past 1.36? Or is it just needed for saving a profile, which can then be loaded later without having to redo the hack?

I obviously haven't gotten a good feel for how this card clocks and draws power yet, so maybe I just wont ever need to go past 1.36 for gaming, in which case that's fine I guess. Otherwise though, that's a huge PITA! I usually switch profiles 2-3 times a day in Afterburner.



As for Dx11, I understand what you're saying, and that's what I thought as well. Thing is, when I was testing my card I loaded up a couple games which I know support Dx11, only to find the dx11 option in the settings grayed out.

I don't know if this is because my previous card was only DX10 and the game hasn't "realized" I upgraded yet (I need to reinstall or w/e) or if something is blocking Dx11 functionality / reporting on the driver / windows level.

Both GPUZ and dxdiag report DX11.
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And a wider memory bus would help

+1

I get a tidy return at 5760*1080 but 2*7950s stomp on me at that resoloution because of the 256bit memory bus. I will be getting 2*780s if they up the memory bus.
    
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Hi guys Im wondering if someone has the same issue; I installed XP and Windows doesnt recognize my video card, this is weird, video is coming out from my lightning as I type but after installing the proper drivers and restarting, I cant change to 1920 x 1080p resolution, Nvidia control panel isnt available, theres a yellow exclamation mark in device manager, happens in both BIOS's LN2 and regular.

was anyone able to instal XP and run this card with no problems?





any help would be appreciated.
    
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I have been following this thread for awhile. I have this card sitting with the rest of my stuff waiting on my water kit and cpu for build. After reading about hacking etc for a feature that was the highlight of the card I think I'm going to return it toward 2 670's. At first on card release AB couldn't adjust the voltage, then it was released for voltage control, now all this...I'm over it.

No, you don't have to hack to overvolt. Only past a certain point. You can go up the +93mv from Afterburner 2.2.3 if you have the unlocked LN2 BIOS up to around 1.36v and the default up to around 1.32v I believe. Beyond the +93mv you need the hack. So it's not so bad, I'd definitely keep it.
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Thanks pal.

So just to confirm, you need to do all these steps to "hack" afterburner... every single time you want to overclock with voltages past 1.36? Or is it just needed for saving a profile, which can then be loaded later without having to redo the hack?

I obviously haven't gotten a good feel for how this card clocks and draws power yet, so maybe I just wont ever need to go past 1.36 for gaming, in which case that's fine I guess. Otherwise though, that's a huge PITA! I usually switch profiles 2-3 times a day in Afterburner.



As for Dx11, I understand what you're saying, and that's what I thought as well. Thing is, when I was testing my card I loaded up a couple games which I know support Dx11, only to find the dx11 option in the settings grayed out.

I don't know if this is because my previous card was only DX10 and the game hasn't "realized" I upgraded yet (I need to reinstall or w/e) or if something is blocking Dx11 functionality / reporting on the driver / windows level.

Both GPUZ and dxdiag report DX11.

Yeah I don't know about saving profiles with it, never tried to. I wouldn't use more than for just quick bench runs, especially if you plan on keeping it for a while. Haven't seen any degrade yet though, so that's reassuring.

I would just try to reinstall the drivers, that's probably your best bet. I forgot if you said you did that already or not, but if you already tried that then maybe reinstalling the game as well might help. Say 'Yes' if it asks you if you want to install anything related to DirectX after the game installs.
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Hi guys Im wondering if someone has the same issue; I installed XP and Windows doesnt recognize my video card, this is weird, video is coming out from my lightning as I type but after installing the proper drivers and restarting, I cant change to 1920 x 1080p resolution, Nvidia control panel isnt available, theres a yellow exclamation mark in device manager, happens in both BIOS's LN2 and regular.
was anyone able to instal XP and run this card with no problems?


any help would be appreciated.
XP Installs drivers fine for me, looks like you need to install drivers for your motherboard chipsets first, then If I remember you may have to let windows update run to install the latest WDMI driver.
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No, you don't have to hack to overvolt. Only past a certain point. You can go up the +93mv from Afterburner 2.2.3 if you have the unlocked LN2 BIOS up to around 1.36v and the default up to around 1.32v I believe. Beyond the +93mv you need the hack. So it's not so bad, I'd definitely keep it.
Yeah I don't know about saving profiles with it, never tried to. I wouldn't use more than for just quick bench runs, especially if you plan on keeping it for a while. Haven't seen any degrade yet though, so that's reassuring.
I would just try to reinstall the drivers, that's probably your best bet. I forgot if you said you did that already or not, but if you already tried that then maybe reinstalling the game as well might help. Say 'Yes' if it asks you if you want to install anything related to DirectX after the game installs.

Yeah I tried drivers already. I'll completely strip them with driver sweeper and go into the registry and such and see if that works.

If not, I agree with you, its probably just the games themselves in need of a re install.
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