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Now that last line of reasoning makes little sense to me, you went seeking overclockable cards but now you don't care about 10 more fps-thats how overclocking is on any card, you pay a premium for slightly higher framerates via overclocking. If 10 fps doesn't matter, why would overclocking and overvoltage matter? Yeah I get the entire principle thing, but why would you even seek out an overclockable card in the first place? I'm not flaming you, just genuinely curious - don't take this the wrong way.

No offense taken.

I think you misunderstood what my point was. I deliberately bought the Lightning on the premise of unlocked voltage. Any 680 can OC. And most don't throttle with a decent cooler. As you can see in this thread, the Lightning isn't guaranteed to hit over 1300, let alone over 1350. So it has the oc ability just like most decent 680's, maybe a bit better chance. Do I care that the Lightning runs 50c? No, because it makes no difference without voltage and high oc where you would need it. A GB680WF will never reach 70c even over 1350mhz on auto fan. Mine didn't. Without voltage unlock, the Lightning makes absolutely no sense to me. That cooler isn't worth an extra $100 alone, sorry. Is it going to have unlocked voltage? I can't say, but I am not waiting for my newegg return period to expire to find out.
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No offense taken.
I think you misunderstood what my point was. I deliberately bought the Lightning on the premise of unlocked voltage. Any 680 can OC. And most don't throttle with a decent cooler. As you can see in this thread, the Lightning isn't guaranteed to hit over 1300, let alone over 1350. So it has the oc ability just like most decent 680's, maybe a bit better chance. Do I care that the Lightning runs 50c? No, because it makes no difference without voltage and high oc where you would need it. A GB680WF will never reach 70c even over 1350mhz on auto fan. Mine didn't. Without voltage unlock, the Lightning makes absolutely no sense to me. That cooler isn't worth an extra $100 alone, sorry. Is it going to have unlocked voltage? I can't say, but I am not waiting for my newegg return period to expire to find out.

So your saying the cooler is the only difference? better caps? better vrm? better build quality ain't matter? how can you even put the WF in same sentence with L cards? that cheapo plastic and blue pcb- no backplate etc headscratch.gif

For me there are 2 great cards regarding 680's DCII/Lightning, WF is not in the same league.
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So your saying the cooler is the only difference? better caps? better vrm? better build quality ain't matter? how can you even put the WF in same sentence with L cards? that cheapo plastic and blue pcb- no backplate etc headscratch.gif
For me there are 2 great cards regarding 680's DCII/Lightning, WF is not in the same league.

All that extra "stuff" doesnt matter at all if you are not able to put it to good use via unlocked voltage control. Sure they might provide cleaner more stable power and overall better quality. I purchased the card with the plans over overvolting and putting a water block on it. That all doesnt make sense now for a $100 premium.
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1) right now, 1.175v. next Afterburner update 2.2.3 will go past this limit

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Plus all of the advertised marketing on the box. Triple overvoltage, unlocked digital power control, ext..
Edited by hammerforged - 7/15/12 at 2:09pm
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so if i have a evga branded refence card that does 1250 how much of a diff will theiri bef from this to a 1300-1400mhz lightning fps wise? ?
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Totally agree with Hammerforged especially about the water cooling. Without voltage control there is absolutely no reason to bother water cooling these 680 Lightnings which is a bummer. Really, there's no point in water cooling any Kepler cards at this point which is another reason I stuck with AMD. Nvidia needs to ditch this stupid boost clock and locked voltages next gen for real...
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So your saying the cooler is the only difference? better caps? better vrm? better build quality ain't matter? how can you even put the WF in same sentence with L cards? that cheapo plastic and blue pcb- no backplate etc headscratch.gif
For me there are 2 great cards regarding 680's DCII/Lightning, WF is not in the same league.

The GPU is inside of the case. I spend more time looking at games than starring at materials. Sure it has its appeal, but I am talking performance, not Prada handbags.
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All that extra "stuff" doesnt matter at all if you are not able to put it to good use via unlocked voltage control

How come it dosent matter bro? me personally i hate cheapo plastic build cards, and "custom cards" like WF which only got good cooler but plastic shroud, and use the same phases/vrm but they added 1 more, its beyond me how come this card is considered like one of the best 680/670, the Lightning destroy the WF, and even if you don't have overvolt control the card is still worth it in my book without a single doubt, its not like you will get 200mhz plus with voltage control, i say 100mhz+ as max.

And its never about looks, its about how it feels when you own something which is build amazingly instead of chepaset "possible but works style" rolleyes.gif

Its like comparing Noctua fans with Thermaltake tongue.gif

Real custom cards FTW.
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so if i have a evga branded refence card that does 1250 how much of a diff will theiri bef from this to a 1300-1400mhz lightning fps wise? ?

I've done some benchmarks between a Lightning at 1202MHz (stock memory) vs 1350Mhz (+450 memory), so basically a big OC.

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Did MSI every officially promise voltage control? I don't remember that. Anyway, it goes back to what I've been saying about Kepler all along. Nvidia obviously locked down voltage for a reason and it may be more complicated to offer it than people realize. Still glad I stuck with my 7970's (though even without voltage control your 3dmark11 scores stomp mine into the pavement)....

Isn't advertising it enough?
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i have a little question...as im learning more and researching more..soon to be a proud owner of another one of these cards...SLI FTW!! anyways...im using the Ln2 bios and i was running stable at 1298mhz core clock +95 in afterburner...i was playing witcher 2, secret world, BF3, all the good stuff.for a good almost two days on the OC. fan set at 70% never went above 50C.. anyways..all of the sudden last night i was running around in secret world and my comp crashed to black screen had to reset...making all the funky sounds like when the card went too high in overclocks...just dont understand why it was running fine for so long then all of the sudden..boom! unstable? i have a AX1200 PSU from corsair..and i have not touched the memory clocks yet..trying to get the core clock down...any reason why this would be happening all of the sudden...i personally think Msi did great with the card smile.gif thanks guys. muchoo
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