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Lol, thats not comparable to a cut down titan.

Not sure exactly what you mean by that. A titan itself is average 30%-40% more performance in FPS then a stock 680. I realize that it cannot touch it in compute but thats what the titan was made for. I just hope you realize how close a lightning can actually get to a titan performance when OC'd properly. I just don't think a 2-12% increase is worth $1000. The price vs performance is aweful. Don't get me wrong i would have a titan or 4 if i had buckets of money to throw away.

780 is expected to be 15% less performance then a Titan which makes sense if you look at the stats. It is nice that they are changing the 780 back into a great compute card like 480 and 580 were for their time.

If you don't believe me look at benchmarks. You may find them all over youtube.
Edited by Shperax - 5/14/13 at 9:33am
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Haswell is also a disappointment as expected. Expect a %0.04 - 1% increase in gaming performance. But hey the integrated HD4600 graphics that no one uses is 30-40% better then the HD4000 on ivy. Intel just has no need at all to step it up when the i5 3570k still beats out anything AMD has for gaming performance. Intel has a secret monopoly that they want to keep. With AMD around intel avoids the US monopoly police. AMD knows that if they try and release a CPU that beats intel, intel is huge enough to just shut them down with a quick release of something 30% better like they did when AMD released Athlon 2. So AMD will only release CPU less powerful then intel but by all means good enough to prevent intel from flexing their mega money power they have and just releasing another CPU that dominates. That move again could put AMD out of business and then it wouldn't be a secret monopoly anymore but just a flat out real one.

But everyone knew that already right.

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k-review-live-china/
Edited by Shperax - 5/14/13 at 11:41am
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Haswell is also a disappointment as expected. Expect a %0.04 - 1% increase in gaming performance. But hey the integrated HD4600 graphics that no one uses is 30-40% better then the HD4000 on ivy. Intel just has no need at all to step it up when the i5 3570k still beats out anything AMD has for gaming performance. Intel has a secret monopoly that they want to keep. With AMD around intel avoids the US monopoly police. AMD knows that if they try and release a CPU that beats intel, intel is huge enough to just shut them down with a quick release of something 30% better like they did when AMD released Athlon 2. So AMD will only release CPU less powerful then intel but by all means good enough to prevent intel from flexing their mega money power they have and just releasing another CPU that dominates. That move again could put AMD out of business and then it wouldn't be a secret monopoly anymore but just a flat out real one.

But everyone knew that already right.

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k-review-live-china/

You have an awful warped view of things. You are right about one thing though - Intel currently has no pressure to release chips with higher raw single thread performance. They are putting out better chips though, just not in better in the facet that you appear to care about. AMD has been facerolling Intel on the IGP side for a while now, that's where Intel needs to improve while continuing to hold it's power efficiency and IPC crowns - and that's exactly what they're doing. It's only smart business.
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So curiosity got the best of me and I flashed my 2 cards with that '770' BIOS. Works fine ! Cards run cooler than my LN2 bios cards did, presuming that's from the less voltage being out through the chip. Performance is about 5% more stock for stock between the BIOS'. Card is still recognised as a 680 in GPUz/AB/NCP, but the clock speed matches the screenshot on the last page.

So, 770 bios works on 680 Lightning? Do you still have full control of all voltages, and power limit to 300%?
Thank you!
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So, 770 bios works on 680 Lightning? Do you still have full control of all voltages, and power limit to 300%?
Thank you!

It works fine. Core Voltage can be adjusted, Memory & Aux voltage have been removed and power limit is 132%
    
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Thanks, I'm not sure this is worthy on Lighting... It is for sure with a vanilla 680.

Would be worth to edit latest Bios from MSI to unlock voltages and power limit?
Edited by gpvecchi - 5/14/13 at 2:42pm
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It works fine. Core Voltage can be adjusted,

Have you verified that with a DMM?
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Not sure exactly what you mean by that. A titan itself is average 30%-40% more performance in FPS then a stock 680.

Lol, even 50% is sort of on the low end. In gpu limited games titan is a lot faster than GTX680. In fact its ~30 slower than two of them in sli. In some cases less, like in games with physx or that use direct compute.

I'm also sure that clock speeds on 780 will be lower than Titan. It may be a lot less than 15% slower clock for clock. Sort of like GTX670 and 7950.
With some bios tweaks it may clock to about what titan does.
Edited by BababooeyHTJ - 5/14/13 at 6:22pm
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Lol, even 50% is sort of on the low end. In gpu limited games titan is a lot faster than GTX680. In fact its ~30 slower than two of them in sli. In some cases less, like in games with physx or that use direct compute.

I'm also sure that clock speeds on 780 will be lower than Titan. It may be a lot less than 15% slower clock for clock. Sort of like GTX670 and 7950.
With some bios tweaks it may clock to about what titan does.

50% is on the high end. please post where you get your info from
Have you seen the near identical stats of a 780 and Titan? Based on where the 680 stands with Titan with these stats i think at most it could be is 15% gap between 780 and Titan.

I do realize that you keep the same performance gaps if you were to OC them both the same but given what they are right now if your a gamer its far from worth it to buy a Titan when you could have 2 680's for the same price and be running up to 50% better then a Titan. Especially when SLI these days is so near 100%. In fact on quite a few games a Titan is a lot more close in comparison to 2 660ti in SLI then 2 680

680 vs Titan
3D mark 11 38%
3D vantage 35%
Heaven 55%
Valley 53%
Metro 2033 44%
BF3 45%
Borderlands 2 8%
AvP 50%
Crysis 3 50%
Farcy 3 43%


GeForce GTX TITAN GeForce GTX 780
GPU GK110 GK110
CUDA Cores 2688 2496
TMUs 224 208
ROPs 48 40
Memory 6GB GDDR5 3-6GB GDDR5
Interface 384-bit 384/320-bit
MSRP $999 $699 to $759

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Edited by Shperax - 5/15/13 at 11:10am
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50% is on the high end. please post where you get your info from

680 vs Titan
3D mark 11 38%
3D vantage 35%
Heaven 55%
Valley 53%
Metro 2033 44%
BF3 45%
Borderlands 2 8%
AvP 50%
Crysis 3 50%
Farcy 3 43%

3d mark is also a cpu bench.

Like I said in gpu limited scenarios the difference is going to be at its largest.

Now look at Crysis, you claim a 50% difference. Yup that is true of average framerate alone. Now look at minimums on Anandtech's review. There is a 70% difference at 1440p.

You quote borderlands 2 at 8%. I use SGSSAA at 2560x1440. I can assure you that requires a lot more performance and makes the game much more gpu limited. Now on top of that physx effects take a much larger toll on GK104. I can use physx on high with a single titan but can't with GTX680 sli in that game.

Far Cry 3 is another game where you see a large difference in minimums or in techreport's 99% percentile framerating.

I'm just going by what I've seen first hand.

GTX680/770 is not going to come close to a cut down GK110. Its just not. Thats especially true in real world day to day usage.

The one thing that you should take from all of this recent microstutter threads is that you can't judge a video card based on average framerate in benchmarks alone.
Edited by BababooeyHTJ - 5/15/13 at 1:01pm
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