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cmon who buys stock pcb cards...

Those of us who want to ensure we can easily get waterblocks and/or are running SLI. I think the stock cooler on my 780 works great. Actually seems quieter than my Lightning cooler was. Either way it's really pretty quiet.
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I used one, I thought that it worked great. GK110 is a massive gpu. Also those coolers work much better in sli than something like these "twin frozor" coolers.
Yes and an overclocked GTX670 outperforms a stock GTX680. What is your point? We know that there isn't a large difference between the two clock for clock.

Oh god not this again...
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Those of us who want to ensure we can easily get waterblocks and/or are running SLI. I think the stock cooler on my 780 works great. Actually seems quieter than my Lightning cooler was. Either way it's really pretty quiet.

Yep, sorry, i don't want to use SLI/Cross, i prefer one powerful card.
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Those of us who want to ensure we can easily get waterblocks and/or are running SLI.

Exactly, I normally prefer reference cards.

I'll be honest I wish that I had gone with reference cards instead of my Lightnings. MSI doesn't bin the gpus so its still just as much of a craps shoot. I could have saved a few bucks with some reference cards.

I couldn't run the LN2 bios on my top card until I installed the waterblocks.
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Yep, sorry, i don't want to use SLI/Cross, i prefer one powerful card.

Thats probably because you don't have much experience with sli. I've been very happy with sli in the time that I've used it.
Edited by BababooeyHTJ - 5/31/13 at 1:24pm
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I don't know about that, the cooler on my 7970 TF3 was awful.

The cooler on the 680 lightning is decent, its no GTX780 reference cooler. The Titan and 780 use a very nice vapor chamber cooler.

7970s run hot, the twinfrozr works very well on the 680 Lightnings, but the 7970s really want water. I like the sound level of the TF cooler over reference coolers on the 7970, but air cooling doesn't really cut it for overclocking the AMD cards.
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No it doesn't, your card may boost to 1202mhz (most don't) but that doesn't mean that the stock boost clock is 1202mhz. On the 770 lightning the cards will boost to at least 1202mhz.

All the 680 Lightnings boost to 1202 on the ln2 bios at stock.
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From the the reviews I have read the GTX 780 overclocked beats the Titan in almost every benchmark. Just saying

But then the Titan overclocks too, unless putting a golden 780 up against a dog of a Titan, the 780 isn't going to beat the Titan in the hands of an overclocker.
    
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MSI is doing some binning of the Lightning cards. I had 2 reference 680's prior to the Lightnings I have now. Neither one could overclock to the 1200 that the Lightnings do on their own in the LN2 bios.

In terms of waterblock availability and resale, it's better with the reference cards. But if you're the kind of person buying a Lightning card, you probably don't care too much.

For me it does kinda suck that to upgrade I'd have to spend probably $1600 ($700 * 2 for the cards + $200 for new waterblocks).
Edited by dr/owned - 5/31/13 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ View Post

Exactly, I normally prefer reference cards.

I'll be honest I wish that I had gone with reference cards instead of my Lightnings. MSI doesn't bin the gpus so its still just as much of a craps shoot. I could have saved a few bucks with some reference cards.

I couldn't run the LN2 bios on my top card until I installed the waterblocks.
Thats probably because you don't have much experience with sli. I've been very happy with sli in the time that I've used it.

I'm not sure either of your claims are really valid.

I've used SLi several times, and each time I've been annoyed by it. It's usually fun at first, when a single card is still more than powerful enough for games with improper/no SLi support, but as the cards age, they do so much less gracefully than a single card. There's also the fact that you usually end up paying more as much for significantly less than twice the performance, once you calculate in the cost of a larger power supply, better cooling, etc. Finally, there is the microstutter. Anyone who says it doesn't exist is totally blind. It's significantly worse in some games than others, but the fact that you end up paying more for something that might give you a migraine is not an easy one for some sensitive users to swallow.

As for Lightnings being "just as bad" as reference cards for overclocking, that's pretty much nonsense. Overclocking is always a gamble. Lightning cards provide slightly better chances to win, and significantly better results if you do win. To put it in RPG terms, A lightning gives you +5 to crit chance, and +50 to crit damage. I don't think anyone would say that does not add any value. The only question is if you are willing to pay for that extra benefit (or perhaps if you would rather that money go to +30 power instead wink.gif).
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7970s run hot, the twinfrozr works very well on the 680 Lightnings, but the 7970s really want water. I like the sound level of the TF cooler over reference coolers on the 7970, but air cooling doesn't really cut it for overclocking the AMD cards.
All the 680 Lightnings boost to 1202 on the ln2 bios at stock.
But then the Titan overclocks too, unless putting a golden 780 up against a dog of a Titan, the 780 isn't going to beat the Titan in the hands of an overclocker.


Mine boosts to 1202Mhz on normal bios, not LN2, i mean on both bios versions.
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MSI is doing some binning of the Lightning cards. I had 2 reference 680's prior to the Lightnings I have now. Neither one could overclock to the 1200 that the Lightnings do on their own in the LN2 bios.

While they could be binned, keep in mind LN2 BIOS has a higher voltage than stock. I measured it with a DMM once but I forgot what the value was. Over 1.2v for sure.
    
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Unlocked it's 1.21V at +0 mV (or 1.26...can't remember it's been a while). + 100 mV is 1.36V. I personally found no difference in overclockability between +50 and + 100, just a whole lot more power consumption.

And you also have the cutest avatar in the world. My cat does something similar when I go to hug him sometimes....paw in face.
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