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I think with multimeter on LN2 at stock its 1.26 and at +100 is 1.36V (and AB says 1.21 at stock on LN2)

1.21 i think they say on multimeter is on normal bios at +0 mV

So generally speaking for every voltage that AB says you need to add +40 or +30 mV to tell the real voltage people say it;s on multimeters.
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All the 680 Lightnings boost to 1202 on the ln2 bios at stock.

Not really, as mentioned that is at 1.26v and with gpu boost essentially disabled. The card isn't rated to hit a 1202mhz boost clock at 1.18v like the 770 lightning. I've had two of these cards that couldn't do that.

With a 770 from the looks of things you can be sure that on average you're getting a chip that'll clock better.
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1.21 i think they say on multimeter is on normal bios at +0 mV

I saw ~1.18v iirc.
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Mine boosts to 1202Mhz on normal bios, not LN2, i mean on both bios versions.

Yes but most don't. GTX770 is guaranteed to hit at least a 1202mhz boost clock on the default bios. There is no gamble, it will. These are clearly binned chips.
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I'm not sure either of your claims are really valid.

I've used SLi several times, and each time I've been annoyed by it. It's usually fun at first, when a single card is still more than powerful enough for games with improper/no SLi support, but as the cards age, they do so much less gracefully than a single card. There's also the fact that you usually end up paying more as much for significantly less than twice the performance, once you calculate in the cost of a larger power supply, better cooling, etc. Finally, there is the microstutter. Anyone who says it doesn't exist is totally blind. It's significantly worse in some games than others, but the fact that you end up paying more for something that might give you a migraine is not an easy one for some sensitive users to swallow.

I'm sorry but your post makes no sense. I'll address your two points.

First of all sli is what it is. You can check out benchmarks all day. In general it scales very well. Obviously you can use settings with two GTX 670s or 680s that you couldn't dream of using on a single GTX680 in most games. I don't know what problems you had but you're in the vast minority.

I am also extremely sensitive to microstutter. I've discussed it in several threads. Its not a big issue on Kepler. If you had any experience with these cards in sli you would know that.

Also even with the setups that do show microstutter there are ways around it that work very well on your 60hz display. A framerate cap clears it right up.

If you don't want to use sli, thats fine but don't push your excuses on others as fact.
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As for Lightnings being "just as bad" as reference cards for overclocking, that's pretty much nonsense. Overclocking is always a gamble. Lightning cards provide slightly better chances to win, and significantly better results if you do win. To put it in RPG terms, A lightning gives you +5 to crit chance, and +50 to crit damage. I don't think anyone would say that does not add any value. The only question is if you are willing to pay for that extra benefit (or perhaps if you would rather that money go to +30 power instead wink.gif).

This makes no sense.

The only advantage that these cards have over a reference card is an arguably better cooler and the LN2 bios that allows a higher core voltage.

MSI doesn't bin these chips, you aren't getting "a slightly better chance to win". All that these cards do is allow you to squeeze out a few more mhz from whatever gpu that you happen to get by using a higher core voltage.
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3dmark gtx 680 lightning ? !!!

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/718823
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3dmark gtx 680 lightning ? !!!

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/718823




2 gtx Lightnings Valley Bench!...still very good cards

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b275/Brentonian/ValleyBench2_zps00109709.jpg
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Not really, as mentioned that is at 1.26v and with gpu boost essentially disabled. The card isn't rated to hit a 1202mhz boost clock at 1.18v like the 770 lightning. I've had two of these cards that couldn't do that.

With a 770 from the looks of things you can be sure that on average you're getting a chip that'll clock better.
I saw ~1.18v iirc.
Yes but most don't. GTX770 is guaranteed to hit at least a 1202mhz boost clock on the default bios. There is no gamble, it will. These are clearly binned chips.
I'm sorry but your post makes no sense. I'll address your two points.

First of all sli is what it is. You can check out benchmarks all day. In general it scales very well. Obviously you can use settings with two GTX 670s or 680s that you couldn't dream of using on a single GTX680 in most games. I don't know what problems you had but you're in the vast minority.

I am also extremely sensitive to microstutter. I've discussed it in several threads. Its not a big issue on Kepler. If you had any experience with these cards in sli you would know that.

Also even with the setups that do show microstutter there are ways around it that work very well on your 60hz display. A framerate cap clears it right up.

If you don't want to use sli, thats fine but don't push your excuses on others as fact.
This makes no sense.

The only advantage that these cards have over a reference card is an arguably better cooler and the LN2 bios that allows a higher core voltage.

MSI doesn't bin these chips, you aren't getting "a slightly better chance to win". All that these cards do is allow you to squeeze out a few more mhz from whatever gpu that you happen to get by using a higher core voltage.

SLi issues are fact, not opinion. SLi issues being unimportant to you is opinion. No one is pushing anything, only rebutting your claim that SLi is inherently better with no downsides, as that is simply untrue. Benchmarks only tell a small part of the story. Fact.

Lightning cards have completely redesigned PCBs. They do more than just give you better cooling, they also give your cleaner power and more voltage headroom to play with. These things affect overclocking weather you like it or not. I'm not saying that a poor chip will magically overclock well just because of a better PCB, but a good chip will benefit from it. A borderline chip might just get enough of an edge to clock higher than it would on a reference PCB. Lastly, MSI does in fact do some minor binning. You can't sell a factory overclocked card without first confirming that it will run at the factory overclock. With a reference card running at reference speeds, you aren't guaranteed anything above stock. A chip that can run at 104mhz above stock is more likely to run at greater than 104mhz than a chip that cannot. There may not be a large number of chips that fall into this category, but they do in fact exist, and buying a Lightning weeds out those total duds. You can choose to ignore these aspects because you feel they are not significant enough for whatever metric you are using, but pretending they have no effect whatsoever is absurd.

Lastly, my panel is running at 96hz, and will be running at 120hz again when I get my 680 back from RMA. That's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but I felt I needed to correct your presumption.
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has anyone tried flashing 680 lightning to 770 lightning? I would do it but since I'm watercooled flashing the bios back after a failed attempt can be a pain in the ass so... -_- waiting for some brave soul to try
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Why to flash it, only to see 770 name ?

@ BababooeyHTJ: So you say not every 680 can boost in games up to 1202Mhz on normal bios ?
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@ BababooeyHTJ: So you say not every 680 can boost in games up to 1202Mhz on normal bios ?

Not without overclocking and not all will do it fully stable.
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SLi issues are fact, not opinion. SLi issues being unimportant to you is opinion. No one is pushing anything, only rebutting your claim that SLi is inherently better with no downsides, as that is simply untrue. Benchmarks only tell a small part of the story. Fact.

No offense but you don't know what you are talking about and it shows. Did I ever say that sli doesn't have a single downside? No, what I am saying is that it has far less than you claim. What always cracks me up is that the people who complain about sli the most are the ones that have the least experience with it. You don't see many people complaining about sli on the forums. There is a reason for that.

When is the last time that you even tried sli? That sli on a stick (gtx295) from four generations ago? You don't think that Nvidia has made any improvements in the past five years? There have been many articles written about microsutter in recent years if you care to educate yourself about the subject.
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MSI does in fact do some minor binning.
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Lastly, my panel is running at 96hz, and will be running at 120hz again when I get my 680 back from RMA. That's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but I felt I needed to correct your presumption.

That statement right there just shows how little you know about the subject of microstutter. There is a reason that I bought up the 60hz comment. Its easy to set up a hard cap, not that I've ever had to do that with Kepler anyways.
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Not without overclocking and not all will do it fully stable.
No offense but you don't know what you are talking about and it shows. Did I ever say that sli doesn't have a single downside? No, what I am saying is that it has far less than you claim. What always cracks me up is that the people who complain about sli the most are the ones that have the least experience with it. You don't see many people complaining about sli on the forums. There is a reason for that.

When is the last time that you even tried sli? That sli on a stick (gtx295) from four generations ago? You don't think that Nvidia has made any improvements in the past five years? There have been many articles written about microsutter in recent years if you care to educate yourself about the subject.
proof.gif
That statement right there just shows how little you know about the subject of microstutter. There is a reason that I bought up the 60hz comment. Its easy to set up a hard cap, not that I've ever had to do that with Kepler anyways.

Gee, you sure are right about how no one in this forum ever complains about SLi. http://www.overclock.net/newsearch?search=sli+issues

I've used SLi several times. I currently use a machine with dual 670s a few times a week. Shocker, I don't list machines I don't personally own.
Exactly what experience do you have? Based on your logic that users have only used hardware listed in their sig rigs, you've never even touched a nvidia card, yet alone two or more in SLi. Yes, I know how incredibly stupid that sounds, that is exactly the point.

Microstutter still very much exists. Improvement is not elimination.

Prove to me that every single reference 680 is capable of running at stock lightning clocks without issue. I don't need to prove common sense.

Now, with that all said, please educate me, oh great one. How does using a 60hz panel magically eliminate microstutter? How does a 120hz panel magically transform into a 60hz panel? How does any of that have anything to do with frame limiters? Oh that's right, it doesn't. There are no magical work arounds for microstutter, there are only ways to lessen its severity at the expense of responsiveness.

It's cool and all that you have conviction in your opinions, but they're just that, nothing more. Quit making presumptions about other users, and if you want proof, be prepared to first provide some of your own.
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@BababooeyHTJ: Oh, that's nice i guess, i thought all 680 lightnings can boost to 1202 in games. So i got some good card after all. You think if i push on +70mV on LN2 bios to gain 1280Mhz you think it's safe for the card, i mean to not broke, in say, 1 more year ? (because next year i will upgrade to a 880 or possible a dual gpu 8 series nvidia). Some one told me that is save every voltage afterburner puts, as long as i don't mod afterburner to use even more voltage or use the extreme edition.
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Intel® Core™ i7 3770K @4.5Ghz (Multiplier OC) 1... MSI Z77A-GD65 [10.10 BIOS] MSi GTX 980 GAMING + MX4 @1544mhz/1.262v; +450M... Geil Black Dragon 4x4Gb 1866Mhz [XMP] 
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Samsung 850 EVO 500Gb [AHCI] Noctua NH-D14 Windows 10 Home 64-Bit 10586.420 (FPP/retail key) BenQ XL2411T [Dual-Link DVI, 144Hz] AUO M24HW01... 
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Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2014 [green switches] Enermax Revolution 87+ 750W and APC Back-UPS 950VA Phanteks Evolv Atx Tempered Glass Black + ATX 2... Razer Mamba 2015 Tournament Edition 
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SteelSeries QcK Mini Asus Xonar DGX 
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