Originally Posted by Desert Rat
Its really funny how the same people show up in every thread trying to persuade the rest that the 79XX is better than Nvidia cards. This generation is all about overclocking the gpu. The card with the higher oc win by a few frames. I dont think to many GTX 680's or 7970's are going to beat my GTX 670 @ 1.32Ghz when you take in consideration that I paid $400 for it. Price per performance is hard to beat
The HD7970s clock higher on average according to hwbot, they also gain more for the same OC (GPU Boost gets nVidia some of the OCed performance at stock so they don't gain nearly as much from OCing) and have more vram (Important if you play games like Skyrim, even at 1080p that can eat up 2GB vram with certain texture mods)
Seriously, the difference between any high-end card is practically unnoticeable these days; slot a 680 in one day, 670 in the next day, HD7970 the next day and a HD7950 the final day and you won't really notice much difference. Look at the games you play (ie. I play Minecraft, Metro 2033, Sins of a Solar Empire, TF2 and Skyrim right now, only Metro and Skyrim aren't CPU limited entirely so I'll base off those two games) and determine which is the fastest within your price range; then in typical OCN fashion become all fanboy for that one series.
Originally Posted by Desert Rat
Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er
And then a guy with HD 7970 @ 1.35Ghz cam come and destroy your card. You have to take Average overclocks in mid. When Reference HD 7970 battles GTX680 its 925Mhz vs 1.1Ghz after TB. After you OC both of them they average ~ 1.2Ghz. HD 7970 is a clear winner with much higher OC headroom.
I guess you are missing the point of this article. Neither the GTX 680 or the 7970 will win the price/performance race. I dont care if they can get 1.4ghz. Is going to have a few frames higher than the average GTX 670 but at a higher price tag. Nothing is going to change that. BTW, I do not think to many 7970's can get past 1.3ghz without running aftermarket coolers which increases the price tag making performance per $$$ even worse. Im not a brand fan and dont need convincing to get an AMD card. Im just going by this article, that is what is discussed here.
He's right, hwbot has the average 670 OC at 1121Mhz and the average HD7970 OC at 1213Mhz; that's the biggest selection of OCs you can really pick from easily, the 670 won't get as much of a boost from its OCing as the HD7970 will simply due to GPU Boost...That's just an obvious fact. It really comes down to what individual games you play and which is faster for most of them; either are great choices.
Originally Posted by Robert03570k
I don't understand their Elder Scrolls numbers for the 7950. I have an MSI 7950 OC running at stock (880 / 1250) and I get much higher framerates than they're showing there. Granted I'm running at 1080p versus 1200 in the review, but I have Bethesda HD texture pack, high quality texture filtering with optimization off, 8xMSAA and 16xAF, and some graphical tweaks (shadows et al) in my .ini files to improve graphics quality, and I'm getting these types of numbers in fraps:
2012-07-08 20:47:10 - TESV
Frames: 17929 - Time: 193192ms - Avg: 92.804 - Min: 63 - Max: 142
(Versus their 63fps avg.)
Other system specs are i5 3570k stock, 8gb Gskill, M4 SSD
I don't know what's up with Skyrim results in general, I should be only pulling 30 with stock Skyrim and a faster CPU according to reviews yet with the HD Pack and a few mods I'm pulling around 30-40fps.
Originally Posted by Benchmarksli
Originally Posted by jtom320
I already posted the link to hwbot oc averages. The 7970 has a higher average OC based upon their submissions. It's really all we have to go by in terms of aggregate numbers for these GPUs.
7970 925 -1213 average
680 variable - 1180 average
Clearly the 7970 is the better overclocker. 670/680 are the cards to get imo
Of course the averages will be higher, the 7970 had a 3 1/2 month head start. Give it time, another three or four months and those stats will look a lot different. The 7970 had non-reference cards out the gate, the GTX 680 finally started getting them(with stock) about 3 weeks ago (and they overclock significantly better than reference cards). There are so many other factors you need to consider, but you turn a blind eye in favor of AMD. You preach AMD from the mouth, but threw money at Nvidia for a GTX 670.
If the 7970 was THE card to have as you put it, you would've kept it. You have an emotional attachment to AMD, but you knew where to go for the best performance on the market right now.
He's completely right though, performance is near enough equal when OCed to just buy off price, power consumption, what games you play and noise. The HD7970 and GTX 670 are the best deals bar none right now, even the HD7950 is good if you play stuff that eats vram up for breakfast.