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Hello everyone! I'm glad to be back on the forums because for me, it means I'm finally building a new pc! My last one (built with lots of help from OC.net) lasted 6 years on its own, and 8 years including its canibalzation, and I'm greatly appreciative for everyones help building that one. It was and continues to be an incredible PC.

So, having not built a computer, or kept up with the Tech, for roughly eight years I've missed quite a bit. =( Thats where I hope you guys and gals can give me a hand. When I was building my other PC, Dual-Core hadn't really taken off yet, 64-bit was just coming out and scarcely supported, my 256mb video card was a top of the line model, and using SATA was new ground.

Heres my current problem. I'm seeing a LOT about "power usage", or rather, the lack thereof. Everything is (as always) becoming more efficient at using its electricity, and requiring less to do typical tasks. The confusion for me is that I have to reference point for these things. Particularly in Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge. I'm an AMD guy... its a tough choice, but I think I'm going to go with Intel this time around. I want to stick with ASUS. And I'm quite budget limited.



So far, these are the parts I've bird-dogged out.
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core
**(But, should I switch this CPU to an IvyBridge counterpart? The motherboard appears Ivy-Bridge acceptable. If I can get the same/better performance for the same dollar, with newer generation parts, maybe I could do that. I'm just having trouble relating to the specs of all the new hardware out there these days.)
ASUS P8Z77-V LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
*Perhaps the pro / deluxe version of this motherboard, also any input on pro/deluxe would be appreciated. Also, as I later state..if there are any features on the higher priced motherboard(s) that I could simply add later through expansion slots/ports. Please let me know. If I can save 40$ on my initial motherboard purchase, and just add the missing features later. That would be awesome.


For now, What I need to know most, is should I go for Ivy Bridge (i don't think I'm gonna wait for the next gen; IveBridge-E or whatever its called) or Sandy Bridge? I'm more of a bang for buck kind of guy, so power usage (in terms of using less) isn't a concern of mine. If I can get more processing power for the same buck, with a much electricity-hungry chip, by all means, please point me in the right direction. Also, I'm aiming for a motherboard that will allow for a significant CPU upgrade later-on down the road, while allowing very good initial component installation, i.e. plenty of ram and expansion slots for the computers first-CPU incarnation, and adequate parts for once the 2nd incarnation CPU is installed (perhaps along with better/more RAM or video card)


If I can hold out and wait for a good deal on an ASUS Maximus V Formula, I'd kinda like one of those instead I think. Or it may be a waste of money... This is where your guys come in =D

My initial budget is around 650-800$ U.S. I'd like to get it up and running for that amt.
I can do without a new case right at first, and don't need a DVD/CD driver, Monitor, Keyboard, etc. I've got all the peripherals I NEED. Having USB 3.0 on my case would be nice, but it can wait, especially if there is at least one USB 3.0 on the motherboard. So I'm really cutting corners for now. Really looking to spend that 800 solely on CPU, Mobo, RAM, and VidCard. Of course depending on how long I wanna wait, I could push the amount available up to around 1300. Any components that I can opt OUT of during motherboard buying, and add later through expansion ports / slots, I would like to opt out of for the time being and just get it off the ground for now.

Of course I've been reading reviews, comparisons, tech updates / reviews left and right. But the only thing thats hard for me to find (but seems to be what I really wanna read) are the INTRODUCTORY articles when all this new tech came out. DDR3, Quad, Octo cores etc. THOSE articles undoubtably compare the new techs to the ones I remember (single core, DDR, non-hyperthreading, non-SLI rigs)

Well I hope my little thread gets a little bit of traffic, and that my impatience for the weeks/months I could spend looking through old posts and articles and magazines doesn't get me flamed much. (I will continue to look through old threads and do my own independent research of course. I'm not lazy wink.gif


P.S. - I'm gonna try and get together the old pictures of the rig you guys helped me build once it was complete. And maybe take some pictures of what it looks like right now, still in use, rocking along (with a few upgrades) in its...probably eighth incarnation =D And post some before and after shots of one amazing work-horse computer I couldn't have made without OC.net! Thank you everyone so much! Sorry I'm so long winded. 'How I was born.

-GateCrasherVI
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Welcome back to overclock.net, It's nice to hear an old rig is still going strong, alot has changed!
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Thank you! Its definitely still rocking! My mom's newer (circa 2009) computer was dying. So when it finally started to completely kick the bucket. I gave up keeping it alive and just brought her the tower OC.net helped me plan (built in...03-04? windows XP, DDR, 2.4ghz single core, but these days it has 3 or 4 gigs ram, one of the fastest AGP cards they made, and is ALWAYS running a stripped down OS.) and it looks REALLY rough these days, missing panel covers. missing fans i've canabalized for other uses lol.. But I hooked it up for her and my step-brothers. And they were all blown away. "Your computers so fast!" biggrin.gif

Which was nice to hear, especially with it being my backup media computer these days set up in the living room used to stream movies for company. But yeah! Its still kickin, and compared to even some modern day computers, its still a beast. I'll totally post some before and after pics
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Hi,

I don't own an Ivy Bridge, and probably won't unless my old trust i7 2600k fails me, but looking at your build if you want to make it an Ivy Bridge build, you might want to think about switching out the 2500k or an i5 3570k. It's an Ivy Bridge, so it should have better performance than second gen processors, and quite a bit of headroom for overclockability, just like the 2500k.

IMO, a 3570k paired with a Hyper 212+ has great overclocking potential to way over 4 GHz.
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Thats really the first question I suppose I need help finding the answer to.

Ivy-Bridge sounds like a Prius... whereas its predecessors, (sandy bridge for instance) are typically referred to as being more electricity hungry to accomplish the same tasks. But with a limited budget, when looking for speed, I myself and some others would sooner go for a two thousand dollar ford mustang over a two and a half thousand dollar prius

Maybe thats a bad analogy. What I'm saying is, I don't mind my CPU eating up electricity and being inefficient. All I'm really worried about is getting as much power for my modest buck as possible.

So, am I better going with an Ivy Bridge? For processor I'm looking at around 179$ - $229 (leaning closer to the 190 range. which I'm hoping, if I choose the right motherboard / processor, may allow for an all-out CPU upgrade later on down the road if I want) I'm hoping to hit a sweet spot of performance, upgradability, and polar-bear be damned efficiency. Sorry cola bear, todays raid night.thumb.gif

My first part should be today, link included. $59.99 doesn't seem too bad. Rebate process may be tiresome, but I'm patient.

mxsp_front_b.jpg (Linked)


Next, I wanna shoot for having the CPU, motherboard, and video card options nailed down. First two being the sooner.
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Also, the 3570k is slightly out of my budget. at 230$ it would really put me in a pinch for other components.

Would the performance be that much better over a 209$ i5 - 3550, or the i5 - 3450 they're both quad core, 3.3 and 3.1 ghz respectively..

The differences seem marginal. In which case, I think I'd lean closer to 209 - 219$. I'm not much into overclocking, I'm just into having things run quickly and my games staying pretty while I've got a lot of super intensive lightning quick stuff going on. When my computer starts to lag behind my physical reaction time

There are millions of variables at what makes a computer perform quickly. I just don't want to be accidentally stepping in a big pile of "form over function."
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If you wait for when you can use the 1300, I'd get a Core i7 3820, 16Gb of Samsung WondeRAM, a rampage Iv extreme, and a 670 FTW.
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i really like that rampage board. but I don't think I'm going to have the money to set up a good socket-2011 board at the moment.

Especially with some of the better boards being 400$. Not gonna happen. =( I'd like the ASUS Maximus V - FORMULA
But I think that one is a little out of my range as well. I'm probably just going to get the ASUS P8-Z77-V

I also want to get two good sticks of 8gig ram. So that when I get two more sticks and max out the boards slots, I dont regret saving money on the initial two sticks and thinking "Man, I wish I'd spent a little more on those first two sticks, so that when I was able to get my second set, I wasn't stuck with this kinda unimpressive memory."

RIght now it looks like this:

i5 - 3550 Ivy Bridge $209
ASUS P8-Z77 - V $179
OCZ ModXStream 700w Modular PSU $59.99
2x 8gig DDR3-1600 (To add another 2x 8gig at later date)


Those four are pretty much nailed down
If anyone sees any pitfalls about the build so far, please point me out
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You should get a 3570K at least.


Do you like the Total War games?
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You really dont need anything over 500W PSU unless you plan on sli or crossfire graphics, The sandy cpu's only use a fraction more power than ivy cpu's and also generate much less heat when overclocked.

A good 650W psu is more than enough to run 2 X gtx 680's in sli with an overclocked sandy or ivy cpu.

It would be a good idea to check out the Asrock line of motherboards as they offer more features for the price, The Extreme 4 is well priced and packed with features. Also with memory unless you plan on doing serious video editing work anything over 8gb is a total waste of cash and simply would be sitting redundant on your motherboard. Also importantly make sure you buy a CPU with a "K" on it if you want to overclock in the future as the non K cpu's are locked

ie: 2500K or 2600K, 3570K, 3770K

Best bang for buck would be a 2500K or 3570K coupled with an Asrock extreme 4 motherboard and 8gb 1600MHZ Ram thumb.gif
Edited by Chewy - 7/16/12 at 5:55am
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