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I do occasionally edit my own videos and enjoy using many programs at once. Multiple displays is a must. I also enjoy being able to use my computers for music recording. I am quite intense on my computers use. If I've got the display room to run more, I probably will. I enjoy knowing i CAN do these things if I want to, and do them quickly. I know that some things are quite expensive to allow your computer the capacity to do....but I think the later upgradability plan can ensure that at a later date, I can have quite a wide range of ability out of many of the same parts.

What I'd like to do. Is have a two stage computer.

First stage (completed this year), a decent CPU, a single video card. and a good amount of memory in dual channel mode

Second stage (to be done in a couple years) a CPU upgrade, quite possible the addition of a second identical video card, and a doubling of memory amount.


Its a bit of a complicated build... keeping an eye on so many different aspects of the build. Good initial quality, affordable price, allowing for a second stage build as defined above, and allowing an adequate number of expansion (sata ports, USB 3.0 and 2.0, I'd like at least 4 3.0 ports, which i've noticed is kind of the standard.. as I may use two of them for quick storage at any given time as I typically have one SSD/FlashDrive plugged in for caching or convenient storage, and then another one in use as mobile storage, that I can pull out when I leave the house and take with me.)

Hopefully I will find a good medium between all these different variables. Thank you for the input! I'm not usually very big into overclocking. I try it every once in a while when I get new hardware, but I rarely use the overclocking consistently as I don't want to waste the expensive hardware on a burnout or ruin something with user-error.
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You really dont need anything over 500W PSU unless you plan on sli or crossfire graphics, The sandy cpu's only use a fraction more power than ivy cpu's and also generate much less heat when overclocked.
A good 650W psu is more than enough to run 2 X gtx 680's in sli with an overclocked sandy or ivy cpu.
It would be a good idea to check out the Asrock line of motherboards as they offer more features for the price, The Extreme 4 is well priced and packed with features. Also with memory unless you plan on doing serious video editing work anything over 8gb is a total waste of cash and simply would be sitting redundant on your motherboard. Also importantly make sure you buy a CPU with a "K" on it if you want to overclock in the future as the non K cpu's are locked
ie: 2500K or 2600K, 3570K, 3770K
Best bang for buck would be a 2500K or 3570K coupled with an Asrock extreme 4 motherboard and 8gb 1600MHZ Ram thumb.gif


I will probably end up taking this advice and getting a k-designated CPU if I can afford a decent one. Thanks! I had known they over-clock quite well, the k series, but overclocking isn't all that high on my list of priorities. Performance, yes...but stable-reliable-safe performance is what I rely on more than "burst" / unstable / dangerous performance. Its quite a big under-taking for me to build a new computer, I couldn't afford to replace a video card or CPU/Mobo if one went bang
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Has no one mentioned the wonder of micro center? Depending on how close you are to one you can get the i5 3570k for $190 there.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0388577
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post #14 of 17
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I'll definitely keep MicroCenter in mind, thank you! That does seem to be one of the best prices I've heard of

I got the power supply in this week, free shipping and got it in 48 hrs. I was very impressed having ordered it on a sunday.

From what I've gathered, a K series Ivy Bridge is probably going to be one of the best purchases I can make for the money.

I'm thinking i5-3570k. Numerous people have suggested it as a bargain performance option. Max budget for processor being 250-300$, I don't think I could do much better than the 3570k. I don't think I'm going to stick with the original plan to expect a CPU upgrade later on down the road. If it becomes possible and practical, that's awesome but I don't expect it to happen.

Any suggestions on memory? I'm looking for 2x 8gig sticks. Keeping in mind that I would later want to add 2 more to amount to 32gigs.

The same deal with video card. I'd like a good stand alone card, I expect to spend a bit of money here. But I'd like to to be reasonable as I would intend to later add a second card.

As for motherboards to do all this on, I've had my eye on the ASUS Maximus V - Formula. I prefer ASUS and nVidia. And have had great experiences with eVGA and adequate performance/cost out of GEIL memory.

I appreciate any input.
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Good read. Yeah man, if you are near that Houston MC, go there. $50 off ANY z77 motherboard with a purchase of the 3570K (which at $190 is cheap in it's own right)

Well I hope you get into overclocking because that's what the Maximus boards do, best overclocking boards... I'd just get an ASRock or ASUS Z77 w/ the purchase of the 3570k at MC. Can't imagine someone who's been out of the game for 8 years and not a major overclocker going after the highest enthusiast grade overclocking motherboard, lol.

I stil don't have an exact grasp on what you want.. You would want a case with SSD hotswap so you can yank it out and pop in the laptop at any given time? or?
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Its not that I'm not into overclocking at all. But its only something I do when I know I can recouperate from catastrophic failure. lol. So later on down the road, if I end up dropping a near-top-end CPU onto the (already completely capable) motherboard, I can squeeze another year or two of keeping up with the times. Thats kind of how I do my own computers. I've built dozens. But when it comes to my own, as limited as I often am on budget. I usually want as good a foundation as possible with the aim to fill in the gaps later.

For instance, in this case, I intend to (hopefully) land another nice big spacious case with plenty of room for hard drives and cards (in case I wind up accidentally getting a surprisingly massive video card like I did last time, I can fit it =) geforce6800gt.) Support for as much memory as I could ever hope to throw at it (support for highly clocked memory, and lots of it)This way, With a big case, and all the bells and whistles in place. I can put in a "Par" CPU, and "well above average" GPU (so I can get some gaming in) and then later on, once I start getting comfortable with the extent of its capabilities, add to it. Add two more sticks of memory. Possibly, ;eventually do the most expensive upgrade, and put in the "near-top-of-the-line processor." Possibly put in a paired video card and start experimenting with SLI.

I like possibility. I want the possibility of tons of hardware support. I dont necessarily need to start out using everything that could be done with a MAXIMUS, but later on down the road, when I grow tired of the capability of my 3750k, and 16gigs of memory and single video card. Or even grow tired of the strength of 32gig memory, and an even better processor. And have some spare parts to fall back on..... Start REALLY getting the rest of my moneys worth.

I've learned that if you prepare for the long haul (by investing in massive expansion options and overclocking capability) that once you get to the end of the road, it doesn't mean the end of the journey. Even a little bit. With the right choice of hardware and bells or whistles, its just the beginning of yet another chapter in the life of a well built computer.

Though it may seem like a waste of good hardware for me to be aiming at a MAXIMUS, I would really enjoy knowing just how far I can push it once push comes to shove. wink.gif When I built my little brothers computer, I used an ASRock motherboard and was quite pleased with how matter-of-factly it got the job done. But there wasn't much....impressiveness. It didn't really wow me about anything in particular. Its a little plain. So despite my support of ASRock as able to get the job done, and surely very capable in many / most of its models. I've got more experience with pretty expensive ASUS boards.

Oh! And about the little slot in that case. Ya know why I'm interested in that? People needing me to fresh-install their computers while retaining their data. It usually involves installing their drive as a slave on my computer. This looks like it COULD be a pretty painless alternative for that. I will also likely put it to good use as storage. Since I always get extra hard drives from friends and family or canninablized computers I've come across. I always liked the idea of those HP HotSwap drivebays they had. I was just greatly disappointed by them being more or less brand specific, requiring their brand of storage medium. I always thought "Man it would have been nice if i could just jam one of these exctra 40gig HDDs in there." This looks like HPs HotSwap reborn USEFUL.

When the other shoe falls, I may end up having to go for a cheaper motherboard, which I could accept, and would undoubtably be one of your suggestions. And quite possibly from the houston MC. I'm only about an hour and a half away from it.

Man I get rambling when talkin shop. I always feel guilty and self absorbed when my posts get this long. ANYWAY I dropped in to tell anyone reading this thread....that the OCZ rebate process is RIDICULOUS

Since I dont have access to a printer or copier, the whole process is made doubly inconvenient, but aside from my own personal difficulties in applying for a rebate.... You have two choices. Either wait 8-10 weeks ONCE THEY GET & APPROVE your rebate letter. Or pay 3$ and they'll mail it within 5-7 days of receiving the claim letter. So....for 3$ I can have them actually give it some effort? Aw thanks! Bess frens 4eva! =/ Oh! Whats that? I don't and CAN'T get a check for the remaining amount? It comes on a "free" credit card gift card which includes some "service fees" and it can't be used at an ATM? SWEET!!! This is getting better by the moment! =( I'm totally disappointed by OCZs rebate process.

I had not bought anything of OCZs previously. And I may not again. I'm happy that I got a 700w modular SLI power supply for what came down from 90$ to 50$ after neweggs free shipping and 10$ off. Fifty bucks seemed like a pretty good deal on it. I've put it into the tower I've been using lately, and its MASSIVE. Had to take out the motherboard (with its big stupid CPU fan cowl) just to get the old PSU out. Let alone get this massive PSU in there.

OCZ 700w ModXStream Modular Power Supply
Packaging 8/10
Cost 9/10
Form 7/10
Function 9/10
Service 6/10

Although neweggs servicve is always awesome, OCZ's rebate process was / is very tiresome and a little disappointing. The price, between the reseller and OCZ was really competitive and reasonable. It came with a bag (literally like a showerbag type thing) full of its cables, which is a little neat. But since I don't plan to carry these with me, um, ever, I think I would've rather they cut costs a little by not including the cable purse. But I'll put it to use I'm sure in some form or fashion, its kinda neat. This power supply is massive. Its not so much long as it is every bit as deep and tall as a power supply can become (i suppose to be more compatible with mid-tower cases and the like). But with every type of connector I could need for it to power my previous-generation computer, or the one I'm in the process of building I'm very happy with how functional it is.


(That was a lot of reading I'm sure.....if anyone has actually read this entire message I'll be impressed. Peoples attention spans are always so short. If I could bang foreheads like doctor who and skip all the needlessly elaborate explanations, I would =) Cookies to all!
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Good read, I read it all. At one point I doubted my ability to finish, but thanks to paragraphs, I did. I'm surprised you are still looking at some of the most high end components yet bought a very mediocre and outdated PSU. Most MIR processes are like that.. If it say's rebate card.. that's what you will have to deal with.

Hour and a half from MC? That's twice the distance I am from mine. You can make a day of it though, I'm a kid in a candy store when I go there. So, a USB3, Hotswap capable.. Full tower?

I think the original board you were looking at the ASUS P8Z77 would be great. Your beloved MIVE is on open box for $240. It would effectively kill the MC trip with $50 off any Z77 board with purchase of the 3570k though.
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