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I see MDPCX vanilla sands sleeve. smile.gif I have the same in my current rig. So pretty! Thanks for sharing your pics and info with others smile.gif
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I see MDPCX vanilla sands sleeve. smile.gif I have the same in my current rig. So pretty! Thanks for sharing your pics and info with others smile.gif

Happy to help. smile.gif

It's actually tan paracord though. But yeah, I'm pretty happy with the result, thanks! smile.gif
Now if only I could find a way to get this ready in time for the contest...

EDIT:
This build log might also be of interest with regards to having the PSU in the main
compartment.
Edited by alpenwasser - 9/29/13 at 7:52am
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Sounds like a plan.

For all the gory details on my cables, you can have a look at this post from my build log,
but the image most relevant to your question is probably this one:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
aw--helios--2013-07-06--05--primary-cables-inside.jpeg

As you can see, I routed the GPU cable along the case roof (those nice holes in the frame come in very hand
for tying it up), and if you had multiple GPUs you could easily still do the same.

The biggest difference between my cable routing and what people usually do is probably that I have not
routed any of the major cables behind the M/B tray. Every major power cable I have is visible in that shot.

I considered going behind the vertical divider and back through the existing cutouts, but I would have
needed to make some new cutouts into the vertical wall right next to the PSU to get the cables behind
it, and I didn't really feel like cutting up my SMH10 like that. Also, the location where those new cutouts
would need to be are right where the HDD and SSD cages are, so things would probably have gotten
very tight back there.

With the cabling fetish I have, in the end I just thought I'd make the cables an actual feature of the build
and route them all in plain sight.

I'm assuming though that you'd go with a more or less normally sized M/B, so this problem would most
likely not be as tricky for you, especially considering that you'd have to plate the PSU somewhat farther
to the back of the case with the 240 radiator in the Flex-Bays (therefore not being in the HDD area
on the back side). I thought about putting another rad into the flex bays, but things would simply have
gotten too cramped with such a huge M/B, and as things are now, I'm pretty happy with the setup
(still massively enough rad power for my setup wink.gif). But with a smaller M/B you should have ample
space for such a setup.

For completeness' sake, this picture shows how I hide the back view onto the cables coming out
of the PSU:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
aw--helios--2013-07-06--06--cables-with-reservoir.jpeg
As you probably know, CL make a PSU mounting kit for this kind of setup, but I just thought I'd bolt
the PSU right to the mid plate, saves me a few bucks and I don't need to have that massive vertical
strut in my case. The advantage of the CL PSU mounting kit is that you could mount the PSU at a
different height if you wanted to do that.

One thing I noticed when doing this: Custom length cables are more or less a must if you want to
avoid having to hide cables. Some of the stock cables were way too short, others were too long.
If you can hide some of the cables you could work with extensions and such, but custom cables
make this much neater than you could ever get it to be with stock cables and extensions.

I hope this helps somewhat, let me know if you need more info. smile.gif


EDIT:
Forgot to mention: I have not yet done the main AC power cable coming in from the outside.
I plan on making a small cutout on the case's back side for mounting a C14 socket there,
then routing an AC cable through the bottom compartment between the radiators to the
PSU (I've made a cutout in the midplate where the PSU power inlet and switch are). That
will allow me to simply plug in a power cable into the back of the rig as if it were a normal
setup.

sorry for the late reply. i saw it on the cl site but i thought it was only for the merlin cases because of the pictures they use. will definitely go that route in buying the smh10 psu kit to be mounted in the main hub as i prefer to have the psu connectors facing down. do you think ill have any clearance routing the cables down the lower chamber and through the side panel with 2 560 rads in the bottom? thank you so much for all your help, really appreciate it +rep. also, caselab peeps, will u guys be making a dedicated eatx to lower form factor mobo tray in the future? i don't think ill ever utilize a hptx mobo but its the only option for eatx support. my only gripe is the grommets are soooooo far away when ur not using hptx mobo for 24pin, usb 3.0 etc. anyways, gonna order my smh10 when i gets paid this friday. thanks guys!
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sorry for the late reply. i saw it on the cl site but i thought it was only for the merlin cases because of the pictures they use. will definitely go that route in buying the smh10 psu kit to be mounted in the main hub as i prefer to have the psu connectors facing down. do you think ill have any clearance routing the cables down the lower chamber and through the side panel with 2 560 rads in the bottom?

NP, the timetable is yours, after all wink.gif

Yes, that should work. I just took a few measurements. When you mount the SR-1's on
the radiator brackets in the lower possible position (you have two hole positions to
chose from), you will have about 110 mm (4.3") between the two radiators (horizontal
direction), and you'll have about 25 mm (1") between the radiators and the mid plate
(vertical direction), which should allow you to route your cables through without much
difficulty as far as I can determine.

Since you can take out part of the mid plate around the Flex-Bays you should be able
to route your cables down into the lower compartment through that gap and then
back around behind the vertical divider and out through the cable holes in that to
the connectors. Be aware though that this will probably require either extensions or
custom cables, it looks to be quite a long way to go for a cable.

Let me know if you need any more info.


EDIT:
I just noticed when looking at Ergo Proxy (which uses an ATX board) that you'd still have an
inch or so to spare (or even more if you're willing to go a bit beyond the M/B tray), which
would allow you to mount, for example, the Rampage IV Extreme (which, at 272 mm, is
28 mm wider than normal ATX at 244 mm). This is just me eyeballing things though, I'd
ask Caselabs how wide a M/B can really be before you need the HPTX tray. But purely
from looking at ergo Proxy's pic from earlier in this thread I get the impression that
EATX could be accomodated as long as it's not tending towards SSI CEB or something
like that.
Edited by alpenwasser - 10/3/13 at 12:33pm
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NP, the timetable is yours, after all wink.gif

Yes, that should work. I just took a few measurements. When you mount the SR-1's on
the radiator brackets in the lower possible position (you have two hole positions to
chose from), you will have about 110 mm (4.3") between the two radiators (horizontal
direction), and you'll have about 25 mm (1") between the radiators and the mid plate
(vertical direction), which should allow you to route your cables through without much
difficulty as far as I can determine.

Since you can take out part of the mid plate around the Flex-Bays you should be able
to route your cables down into the lower compartment through that gap and then
back around behind the vertical divider and out through the cable holes in that to
the connectors. Be aware though that this will probably require either extensions or
custom cables, it looks to be quite a long way to go for a cable.

Let me know if you need any more info.


EDIT:
I just noticed when looking at Ergo Proxy (which uses an ATX board) that you'd still have an
inch or so to spare (or even more if you're willing to go a bit beyond the M/B tray), which
would allow you to mount, for example, the Rampage IV Extreme (which, at 272 mm, is
28 mm wider than normal ATX at 244 mm). This is just me eyeballing things though, I'd
ask Caselabs how wide a M/B can really be before you need the HPTX tray. But purely
from looking at ergo Proxy's pic from earlier in this thread I get the impression that
EATX could be accomodated as long as it's not tending towards SSI CEB or something
like that.

i just ordered my smh10 wooooooooo!!!!! freaking excited man! biggrin.gif

i went with the matte white with silverstone usb 3.0 i/o in matte white, 39' top, reversed, hptx, xl window, fan holes, lower chamber ventilated, flex bay ventilated and hd casters. gonna order the other items such as the rad mounts, psu kit and whatever i think im gonna need later as i am in no rush because this beast will be for haswell e 8 core next year. just wanna build it up and take a look at it u know. got my black ice sr1 480 rad earlier this week so thats the first thing thats going to be mounted up top.

so you're saying its possible to get a eatx motherboard in a xl atx tray? even if it is possible, i don't think id want to drill anything in that tray because its a cl case. still, i don't know what kinda mobo i may choose for haswell e, but its nice to know the hptx tray will be prepared for anything. yeah, i will most definitely utilize those grommets right below the motherboard for my cabling. ill be making custom extensions so length wont be a problem.

i cannot thank you enough for your generous insight. +rep once again
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i just ordered my smh10 wooooooooo!!!!! freaking excited man! biggrin.gif

so you're saying its possible to get a eatx motherboard in a xl atx tray? even if it is possible, i don't think id want to drill anything in that tray because its a cl case. still, i don't know what kinda mobo i may choose for haswell e, but its nice to know the hptx tray will be prepared for anything. yeah, i will most definitely utilize those grommets right below the motherboard for my cabling. ill be making custom extensions so length wont be a problem.

i cannot thank you enough for your generous insight. +rep once again

Happy to help, have fun with it. smile.gif

Once upon a time I also was afraid to drill/mod my CL, and although it hasn't actually been
necessary yet, the fact that I can order any part of the case as a spare if I screw things up
has me much less worried than with other cases. If I'd screwed up on my R4 build I'd have
needed to buy a whole new case (of course the case is by far not as expensive, but that's
still pretty wasteful). biggrin.gif

I'm not 100% sure if you can mount EATX onto the XL-ATX, it would probably depend on the
specific motherboard, seeing as how EATX is used for a variety of M/B widths. True EATX
is 305x330 mm, which I'm pretty certain won't fit (it's the same as SSI EEB according to Wiki),
but many manufacturers use it for M/B widths falling between standard ATX and that as
well (see the RIVE at 272 mm width, which I think should fit).

If you'd really want to know for sure I'd shoot CL an email and ask them, they'll be able to
answer this question much more reliably than I ever could (not that it matters now).
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i just ordered my smh10 wooooooooo!!!!! freaking excited man! biggrin.gif

i went with the matte white with silverstone usb 3.0 i/o in matte white, 39' top, reversed, hptx, xl window, fan holes, lower chamber ventilated, flex bay ventilated and hd casters. gonna order the other items such as the rad mounts, psu kit and whatever i think im gonna need later as i am in no rush because this beast will be for haswell e 8 core next year. just wanna build it up and take a look at it u know. got my black ice sr1 480 rad earlier this week so thats the first thing thats going to be mounted up top.

so you're saying its possible to get a eatx motherboard in a xl atx tray? even if it is possible, i don't think id want to drill anything in that tray because its a cl case. still, i don't know what kinda mobo i may choose for haswell e, but its nice to know the hptx tray will be prepared for anything. yeah, i will most definitely utilize those grommets right below the motherboard for my cabling. ill be making custom extensions so length wont be a problem.

i cannot thank you enough for your generous insight. +rep once again

Very cool!! cool.gif Thank you!! biggrin.gif

Most "EATX" boards are just oversize ATX (like the RIVE) and will fit on the XL-ATX tray just fine. Generally, it's the 2P boards that are full EATX and would need the HPTX tray.
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Awesome Case - Just this one time, I will not allow the price to get into my head.
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