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The 3930K is a great choice! I picked one up at Microcenter for 499.

As for motherboards, I went with the Rampage IV Extreme as I feel that it is probably the best X79 MB available, plus I got it for just $360 @ Microcenter. Right now I believe that you can get $50 off an X79 MB at MC but I am not sure of the terms.

I like the spacing between the PCI-E slots, and it has 5 of them running x16/x16, x16/x16/x8, or x8/x8/x8/x16 (I believe, I'll have to double check). The massive amounts of bandwidth means that you can run multiple GPU'S while still having space for a sound card, RAID Controller Card, or whatever.

It also has a lot of neat features like the OC Key, the ability to OC your rig via a second computer, an incredible UEFI BIOS, dual-BIOS'S, multiple USB3.0 ports (4x rear plus headers), 4x/ea SATA3/SATA2, 8x DIMMs (Formula has 4), multiple available water blocks if you go that route, 8pin+4pin CPU power connectors as well as a 6pin PCI-E power connector that allows more power to be sent to the GPU'S (for overclocking or 3-4 way SLI), 4pin "floppy" power connector that provides more power to the RAM for higher and more stable overclocking or for when all 8 slots are filled, and a whole lot more.

I spent a lot of time researching boards, and many have some of these features but the R4E is the only one that has all of them. I am not even mentioning all of the stuff geared towards extreme overclocking.

I would recommend the G.Skill Ripjaws Z DDR3-2133 16GB kit (4x4GB; black heatspreaders and PCBs with blue stickers). It has been very well reviewed, the sticks look and feel very nice, and you can get the kit for 118 on Newegg at the moment. I have talked to numerous people who have this RAM and have overclocked it, with 2400 being possible at 10-12-11 without a voltage change, well as it being possible to run very tight timings if you don't up the speed (CAS8 @ 1866-2133, CAS7 at 1600-1866). For the price, they are a steal!
   
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post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by icehotshot View Post

There is no difference in performance between the 3930k and 3770k for gaming. The 3770k might possibly edge out the 3930k or vice versa depending on the game, but if there is a difference it will be a miniscule one. Quad vs dual channel makes zero difference for gaming as well.

That is not entirely correct, as there are games for which the CPU is still more important than the GPU. Of course if all you play is the sort of simplistic FPS games that are developed primarily for consoles then ported to the PC, then CPU is not relevant and you can easily get by with an old 1st generation i7 or even i5 CPU with dual channel. On the other hand, games that are CPU intensive benefit greatly from triple or quad channel memory.
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Yeah, I know. Not worried about power consumption all that much, and I game at 2560x1600 resolution. That, and I bought my 680 before 670s were available (was in a time crunch, old card completely died on me, so had to get something).

You could buy two 670s and then dedicate the 680 to PhysX processing.
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Look, let me just state this. I bought a quad core back in the day when everyone else said DONT BUY ONE YOU WILL NEVER USE THE EXTRA TWO CORES!!!

You are comparing oranges and apples here. It's really the socket and motherboard architecture that makes the difference with i7 processors over previous generations. When I went to a quad core i7-920 from a Core 2 Duo E8400, with dual SLI GTX 470s to replace dual SLI GTX (GTS?) 8800s, I got a massive boost in performance, but measurements on my G15 mini-screen with LCDSirReal and GPU-Z showed that one core of the i7-920 was being used extensively, one at about half capacity, and the other two are barely touched in all but two games out of the 17 I have played in the last 2 years, one of which sucked so I benefitted on only 1 game by having more than 2 cores with a Dual-SLI rig. Investigations with various testing and benchmarking utilities showed that the game itself, with PhysX and SLI enabled, was not using those 3rd and 4th cores, it was other programs that had been automatically shunted to them. They could have easily been run on the core that was only being utilized at 50%.

The same will happen in the next 3-5 years: only a relatively small number, if any at all, will benefit from having more than 4 cores or even more than 2 cores. What will truly benefit gaming is faster memory architectures such as quad channel, faster graphics cards with even larger onboard memory for the console port gamers, and possibly faster CPU clocks but I am not holding my breath since die architectures are getting smaller so higher clock speeds are not as necessary.

The only applications which will truly benefit from more than 4 cores are CPU intensive games (extremely rare, X3TX and X3AP for example), 3D modelling (Lightwave, Maya, MAX, etc.) and scientific applications.
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Originally Posted by nleksan View Post

The 3930K is a great choice! I picked one up at Microcenter for 499.
As for motherboards, I went with the Rampage IV Extreme as I feel that it is probably the best X79 MB available, plus I got it for just $360 @ Microcenter. Right now I believe that you can get $50 off an X79 MB at MC but I am not sure of the terms.

Unless you got a discount specifically for the Extreme, you could have saved a few bucks and got a Rampage IV Formula. The extras of the Extreme are completely unnecessary, I know because I have the Rampage III Extreme and have never once used any of the crap. This time I am going with the Formula and spending the savings elsewhere.
post #23 of 32
Well, the 8x DIMM's vs 4x DIMM's on the Formula is worthwhile enough to me... I went with X79, in large part, due to future expansion and upgrade opportunities, and having 16GB of DDR3-2300 10-11-10-30 and STILL having 4 empty DIMM's is awesome! I know that at this point in time, as I am not using CAD or anything like that, the extra memory above and beyond 16GB would be pretty pointless, but come 2 years from now when the system starts to show its age, tossing in another 16-32GB and making a massive RAM-disk would be really quite nice!

Also, as I am water cooling, the availability of water blocks from the likes of MIPS (my favorite looking block), XSPC, Koolance, and EK as well as possibly others makes the R4E a better choice, IMO. The voltage regulators get HOT with any decent overclock, and when 2/3rds of your total fans are on radiators, a full-coverage motherboard block-set is just as much function as it is form. I know that it won't give me any extra FPS, nor will it make my benchmark scores higher, but what it WILL do is make the interior of my case cooler, stabilize my overclock, and make me sleep more easily at night knowing that there is no better way (practical way) to keep the VRMs/MOSFETs at a super-cool temperature.

Lastly, the PCIe setup seems a bit better with the Extreme than with the Formula, but I am going by memory so I could very well be wrong. All I know is that when I add GPU2 and GPU3, there will be PLENTY of lanes left for a nice LSI/3ware/PERC6i RAID Controller Card as well as a PCIe x1 Sound Card!


The way I see it, the differences between the two are pretty much summed up as follows:
- R4F: The top-of-the-line X79 board for someone who wants to build a machine and get maximum possible performance, and then let it be
- R4E: The Absolute Highest-End X79 board for tweakers, tinkerers, and fiddlers, providing maximum performance as well as access to every possible means of extracting even more performance (as well as for the LN2 crowd).

If you're air cooling or going with pseudo-water (ie H100), then the R4F is a better choice.
If you're going custom water or anything exotic (ie LN2, Chiller, etc) then the R4E is the best choice.
   
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I looked at the R4E and R4F extensively in planning my new rig that is being built next Tuesday, and ended up settling on a P9X79. It is essentially exactly the same, just without the flashy bells and whistles which were, on my R3E, utterly and completely worthless in every possible way. I never once had the need or desire to play with the R3E's gimmicks and toys once I actually had it in my greedy little hands, so this time I am saving over $200 and spending the money on a new 2TB hard drive and upgraded power supply.
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Which P9X79? The P9X79 WS has worked flawlessly for me after I sorted out which BIOS, drivers, and programs I needed or wanted to download and install. Looking forward to getting another 32GB of RAM (larger RAM drive) and another 680 FTW+ for SLI. smile.gif
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Which P9X79? The P9X79 WS has worked flawlessly for me after I sorted out which BIOS, drivers, and programs I needed or wanted to download and install. Looking forward to getting another 32GB of RAM (larger RAM drive) and another 680 FTW+ for SLI. smile.gif
larger RAM drive -> Waste of money and time -> With today SSD (> 500Mbps) biggrin.gif
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Show me the SSD that has 37GB/s transfer rate... thumb.gif

Also, just wanted to point out that as far as I know you don't know what I use my RAM drive for. It's always nice to hear baseless opinions on internet forums though.

But yeah, SSDs are nice. What's your point?
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Show me the SSD that has 37GB/s transfer rate... thumb.gif
Also, just wanted to point out that as far as I know you don't know what I use my RAM drive for. It's always nice to hear baseless opinions on internet forums though.
But yeah, SSDs are nice. What's your point?
Once you set up your system on SSD you will newer wish to do RAM drive smile.gif
I agree that the transfer is better but you still have to copy things from slow media to RAM drive which taking a time and slow down the job. With SSD you have swap file and temp folder on fast media so System is up in 1/2 sec (windows 8) and RAM hungry apps runs with no problems at all. (one example: I do not use any more photo viewers becouse photoshop is up untyl you blink smile.gif )
Seriously, with RAM drive you have to much things to think about (where whay how etc.) biggrin.gif
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Most of the stuff I put on the RAM drive gets copied from RAM to RAM or worked on in the CPU actually. Only backups and reloading after a restart are done using the slow HDD, but my computer is on and running nearly 24/7. An SSD would speed that up a bit, and I am looking forward to getting an SSD soon too (holding out for a 1TB), but not to replace my extremely faster RAM drive.

Also, from the first post, lets not confuse Bs with bs (Bytes and bits). 1 Byte = 8 bits.

...

So anyway, yeah RAM is faster with the quad channel, and the 3930K is a great CPU. It is more than a bit of overkill for most of today's games though. I personally don't mind overkill too much, and I'm crunching for scientific research in the background while I game.
Edited by Wrend - 11/24/12 at 4:32am
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Most of the stuff I put on the RAM drive gets copied from RAM to RAM or worked on in the CPU actually. Only backups and reloading after a restart are done using the slow HDD, but my computer is on and running nearly 24/7. An SSD would speed that up a bit, and I am looking forward to getting an SSD soon too (holding out for a 1TB), but not to replace my extremely faster RAM drive.
Also, from the first post, lets not confuse Bs with bs (Bytes and bits). 1 Byte = 8 bits.
...
So anyway, yeah RAM is faster with the quad channel, and the 3930K is a great CPU. It is more than a bit of overkill for most of today's games though. I personally don't mind overkill too much, and I'm crunching for scientific research in the background while I game.
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I'm just lazy nob but maybe i will go for 64 Gb ASAP
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