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What ate you talking about? Since when did intel have 4ghz plus stock clocks? Overclocked maybe (thou with ivys heat issues..) but out of the box (as most non-ocners will have it) no way.
If they can get to nehalem speeds, i think that would make them better bang for buck then intel if they mainten they price/core. What amd needs is hyperthreading. Yes, cmt is better, why not give us both? Widen the module a bit, run four threads on one module.

The stock clocks for these two chips are 3.2 and 3.5. As far as I know this is right around the exact same clocks as the Ivy chips. Both have turbo with the PD chips having slightly higher but not enough that IPC isn't still hugely important.
    
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What amd needs is hyperthreading. Yes, cmt is better, why not give us both? Widen the module a bit, run four threads on one module.
Having HT is like having 2 people trying to crap in one toilet at the same time. Having CMT AND HT would be like having 4 people trying to crap in 2 toilets, one full sized and the other half sized. Plus, you wouldn't see that much benefit unless you were doing lots of encoding/rendering. It would also need AMD to give more money to Intel, and they can't really afford that right now.
 
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Yeah, unless every PD comes at a stock 8GHz, I would say IPC is very important. Having a high frequency chip with low IPC is just all talk and no trousers . .. .
    
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IPC is going to matter because the clock speeds are basically the same as competing Ivy chips.
People in this thread are hoping this thing is as fast as Sandy and I really hope so to because that would be awesome. Sadly I don't think we're going to get anything close to that.

The only thing that the sandy bridge really accels at over a bulldozer is multi-gpu performance over 2 video cards. Everything else is make you feel better but actually cant tell the difference synthetic benchmarks.
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Yeah, unless every PD comes at a stock 8GHz, I would say IPC is very important. Having a high frequency chip with low IPC is just all talk and no trousers . .. .

Well that is a stupid assumption. If both chips had the exact same ips but one favors clock speed over ipc improvements, then who cares. The one that takes advantage over clock speed will be cheaper. You try to push out processors as fast as Cod releases their games with nearly 1/10 the budget.
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^ but surely the lower the clockspeed, the fewer electrons pass through the chip and less heat is created, therefore in terms of power consumption and efficiency a lower clockspeed is favoured?
    
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post #46 of 92
The people on OCN sometimes amaze me.
"Well sir, I am looking for a CPU that will allow my 4 7970/680's to really stretch their legs on my 3 25xxX16xx 120Hz 3D monitors."

Yep, that's an awesome market to shoot for, .1% of PC users...

Who cares if it doesn't match SB or Ivy?
Being CPU bound in gaming is damn near the definition of the 1%
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post #47 of 92
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Being CPU bound in gaming is damn near the definition of the 1%

Starcraft II: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-6.html

Framerate dips in starcraft can be the difference between winning or losing a ranked match.

Skyrim: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-21.html

Obviously this is not the case with all games, but it generally true that even in non CPU bound games, intel CPU's are still faster even if its not by much.
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Who cares about IPC? What really matters is IPS... If you're gonna base your purchases only on IPC, than get an old FX Series (the original ones) and you'll have great IPC. Oh, did I mention low clock speeds and a single core? See, IPC doesn't actually matter.

I get a headache everytime someone makes this statement. IPS = IPC x Ghz. Bulldozer had chips OC'ed to 4ghz and even 4.8ghz and they still lost to Phenom II in most cases and and lost to SB in all cases despite having a higher clock and 2 more cores. The only thing left to adjust in the equation is IPC.
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Make up stuff much?
What you think is not fact.
You boys really need to research before spouting off garbage. OCN is not the place for mis-information and if you don't understand the facts then you really should go back to school and learn how to learn.

This.
    
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I'd agree that CPU bottleneck is not really a big thing in most games. However I'd put the number at 20% rather then 1%. Enough for people like me to spend the extra 20-50 dollars on the Intel chip. For now anyway. If this thing is a big improvement it could change the landscape in the mid range gaming cpu market.
    
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Having HT is like having 2 people trying to crap in one toilet at the same time.

You sir made my day. lachen.gif
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