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Good luck Draven, close the door and put a chair up against the knob ! tongue.gif


Thanks mister, not as far along as I thought I would be, I have all my tube done, had to jerry rig (no pun intended lol) the bottom rad bolts a bit, I was also short 8 30mm blots for the fans on the rad for push/pull but a friend of mine had some to give me thumb.gif didn't realize compression fitting were so hard to tighten up when you get the tube on my fingers are raw tongue.gif my son has been helping me most of the time he's a great kid and loves to help outthumb.gif I did take a bunch of pics I will see if I can get them uploaded tonight then I will get back to it tomorrow. I still have the leak test and all the wiring to do then install the SSD and HDD do all the cable management then load the OS and hope it all works lol. Anyway time to cook dinner for the rug rats and I need a coffee tongue.gif

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post #82 of 114
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*Update* Today's pics on the front page people, hope you like it, it was a long day but I am happy so far, more tomorrow thumb.gif

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Looking forward to some pictures ! thumb.gif
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post #84 of 114
This looks fantastic! I love that 6990!

Pics are looking really good at the minute, Draven. Good job.

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This looks fantastic! I love that 6990!
Pics are looking really good at the minute, Draven. Good job.
Rowey

 

Hey Rowey, thank you very much, coming from you that is a big boost for me, I really need to thank you and all the members in the NZXT Phantom Club for the ideas that you share and NZXT for making such a great case. This build will be ever evolving and changing, but it's gonna take awhile as my girlfriend and I are getting married next April and going on a honeymoon to Cuba for two weeks. After we get back I'll be doing small things to my build but I also have another build in my head for next fall money and wifey permitting lol

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Looking really good! Good luck with the leak test thumb.gif
     
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Looking really good! Good luck with the leak test thumb.gif

 

Thanks Von, just started the leak test about an hour ago and everything seems to be going OK, btw just for the hell of it I plugged in all my fans and put them on high, if my GF was in the room watching T.V. you wouldn't hear them, if I was playing BF3 or UT3 you wouldn't hear them, the only problem I have is the LED's are not very bright, oh well, who cares how bright your lights are when it's running it like a beast lmao. thumb.gif

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Cable management done, SSD and HDD installed, waiting on 3 active display adapters and loading the OS, I hope to have this up and running tomorrow guys but I'm done for tonight see ya later thumb.gif

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OS is installed and my baby is up and running, can't do the eyefinity atm as the guy I am buying the active display adapters from can't meet me till tomorrow, bummer, anyway I will have new pics up later today. thumb.gif

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Damn sexy board! Are you going to run the watercooling through the board itself?
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