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Of course, then we can talk about the COST of drum scanning. Those of us who don't have access to a lab at a University typically pay quite a premium for those. Flatbeds, like you said, are fine for sharing online, and useful for previewing negatives and determining which I would like to have drum scanned and printed.
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There are obviously alot of differing views on this but to me the overall feeling seems to me that current ASPC crop sensor DSLR's offer a reasonable similar level of resolution to 35mm film if the lenses used are of similar quality while the new Nikon D800 pushes into the realm of medium format film quality.

Personally for me unless you like the look of the end result better or are very limated on your short term investment digital pretty clearly trumps film at 35mm size and below. Where film still holds its own is I'd say as you move into larger formats where the cost of digital is prohibitively expensive.

You could for example buy an old Fuji GW690 with a build in lens for a few hundred dollars and you'll be shooting film over 4 times as large as 35mm/full frame and probabley outresolving the D800 with a good scanner.
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Ehhh... I'd say the D800 is nowhere near getting in the realm of MF and never will touch upon it since it's limited due to the format. While there's no denying the resolution obtainable on the sensors is increasing there's many things that the format won't be able to achieve such as the dynamic range, unique look of the format and the amount of detail the larger sensors/film resolve. And whenever an improvement happens in one format it's going to care over to the others so as 35mm progresses so does MF (but that's referring to digital and not film).

Tl;dr The whole "35mm is going to match MF" is purely marketing.

But now we're getting off topic. tongue.gif
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Thanks for the help everyone!

What I've gathered:

 

  • Body of an SLR camera does not matter
  • Digital IQ is similar or better than 35mm IQ, but larger format is better (I can only find 65/70mm to be larger...but isn't that for movies?)
  • The scanner type greatly affects the IQ of the pictures

 

I found this recent article about 35mm scanners:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/photography/hands-reviews/35mm-film-scanner-roundup

And the Plustek OpticFilm 7600i Ai Scanner seems to be the best mid-range scanner.

(It also looks like it's EOL and a new model, Plustek OpticFilm 8200i Ai is available)

    
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[*] Digital IQ is similar or better than 35mm IQ, but larger format is better (I can only find 65/70mm to be larger...but isn't that for movies?)

IQ is debatable. Digital has higher resolution but film will have greater detail in the visual information such as dynamic range. a cheap 35mm SLR with cheap glass on cheap film scanned by a mid range scanner probably would not produce a considerably higher quality image over a nice DSLR setup as far as the digital copies are concerned i cant speak for printing quality but chosing the right film help in getting the right image that you want because not every film is the same each one produces different results when compared under the same conditions (at least this is my experience working with movie film, my experience with film photography is extremely limited)
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  • Digital IQ is similar or better than 35mm IQ, but larger format is better (I can only find 65/70mm to be larger...but isn't that for movies?)

The larger formats for photography are medium format (6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, etc...) and large format (4x5, 5x7, 8x10, etc...). On top of that there's a range of more specialized formats that are either still around or have died off over the years.

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I have read this thread and it's so full errors that i don't know where to start. For some reason i have decide to comment.

A State of the art DSLR will of course outperform any 35mm analog camera, in fact it will also outperform any analog medium format camera.

I have a state of art SLR Canon 1n, i bought it in the late 90s, and also a mamiya 6x4,5 medium format camera. Around 2000 there was many debates about 35mm vs digital. And i remember i was sceptical and a bit angry when a photography magazine claimed that the Canon D30 (not 30D) a 3 megapixel camera was just as good as a 35mm film camera.

Then finally in 2003 i bought a Canon 1Ds a 11.4 mega pixel DSLR, the worlds best and most advanced DSLR and very expensive. To my thrill (and a little bit of horror because i love film) the DSLR was superior to my very good analog medium format camera (it has a film area 2.7 x larger than a 35mm camera).

There has been an improved in film in the late 2000's but even so a 6x4.5 medium format camera can't still outperform my old 1Ds that i still have and uses from time to time.

Look at this where luminous landscape tested the digital 1Ds against a 6x7 medium format analog camera (a 6x7 medium format cameras is superior to 35mm) :

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml
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I have read this thread and it's so full errors that i don't know where to start. For some reason i have decide to comment.

A State of the art DSLR will of course outperform any 35mm analog camera, in fact it will also outperform any analog medium format camera.

I have a state of art SLR Canon 1n, i bought it in the late 90s, and also a mamiya 6x4,5 medium format camera. Around 2000 there was many debates about 35mm vs digital. And i remember i was sceptical and a bit angry when a photography magazine claimed that the Canon D30 (not 30D) a 3 megapixel camera was just as good as a 35mm film camera.

Then finally in 2003 i bought a Canon 1Ds a 11.4 mega pixel DSLR, the worlds best and most advanced DSLR and very expensive. To my thrill (and a little bit of horror because i love film) the DSLR was superior to my very good analog medium format camera (it has a film area 2.7 x larger than a 35mm camera).

There has been an improved in film in the late 2000's but even so a 6x4.5 medium format camera can't still outperform my old 1Ds that i still have and uses from time to time.

Look at this where luminous landscape tested the digital 1Ds against a 6x7 medium format analog camera (a 6x7 medium format cameras is superior to 35mm) :

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/shootout.shtml

im confused as you didnt actually make a point with your post despite stating how this thread is so full of errors. the bolded statements contradict each other. not sure if its a typo or lost in translation
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