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Oh, I totally get why yo did not get the extra RAM from HP. The price they charge for it is absurd. wink.gif
Maybe we can ask Mad Pistol to re-run the benchmarks with only 1 RAM stick in his laptop? Just to get a fair comparison... it would also show us how much the A10 looses due to single channel. Pretty please... biggrin.gif

Probably not going to happen tonight. I have a busy day tomorrow that I have to get ready for tonight, so any tinkering will probably not happen until late tomorrow at the earliest. The thing that I do like about HP, though, is all I have to do is remove one panel on the back of the laptop, and the Hard drive, memory, and Wi-fi card are all exposed and easily changed out. They definitely got that one right.
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The dual core, low-power, super-efficient E-xxx series APU's AMD put into their laptops have left me with a bitter taste in my mouth :/. I do understand these are probably much difference, and perform much better, but it was very frustrating to not be able to complete random tasks without irritating lag or slowdowns. For internet surfing and Hulu Plus, it was great, but Netflix HD took a toll on the low-GHz CPU.

That being said, I'm very impressed with the i5's power in my MBA, so I think even my next desktop upgrade will be to an Intel chipset.
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Not sure why HP felt the need to create a new "sleekbook" branding for these laptops. The battery life and benchmark scores are lower than Ultrabooks, though it is less expensive at $630 (compared to $800-1000 for an Ultrabook). The top-end Sleekbook, still with AMD innards, costs $1040, which is well into Intel Core i5 based Ultrabook territory.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/13/hp-envy-sleekbook-6z-review/


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The dual core, low-power, super-efficient E-xxx series APU's AMD put into their laptops have left me with a bitter taste in my mouth :/. I do understand these are probably much difference, and perform much better, but it was very frustrating to not be able to complete random tasks without irritating lag or slowdowns. For internet surfing and Hulu Plus, it was great, but Netflix HD took a toll on the low-GHz CPU.
That being said, I'm very impressed with the i5's power in my MBA, so I think even my next desktop upgrade will be to an Intel chipset.

The review was horrible; the reviewer refused to shell out around $100 or something for over twice the CPU & GPU power.
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The dual core, low-power, super-efficient E-xxx series APU's AMD put into their laptops have left me with a bitter taste in my mouth :/. I do understand these are probably much difference, and perform much better, but it was very frustrating to not be able to complete random tasks without irritating lag or slowdowns. For internet surfing and Hulu Plus, it was great, but Netflix HD took a toll on the low-GHz CPU.
That being said, I'm very impressed with the i5's power in my MBA, so I think even my next desktop upgrade will be to an Intel chipset.

The A10 and A8 Trinity chips are very capable platforms. For reference, My old Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Northwood desktop with a 6800 GT 256mb card and 1.5GB DDR RAM got about 11,500 points in 3DMark03. This laptop with INTEGRATED GRAPHICS gets over 21,000 points. Bear in mind that 3DMark03 is a single-threaded program, and the 6800 GT only had support for DX9.0c and SM3.0.

Of course the E-series AMD APU's were slow. They were designed for netbooks and other ULP platforms. The A10 and A8 trinity CPUs are designed for modern workloads and media in laptops. I've had no issue running 1080P content on youtube or HD content on Netflix. The laptop doesn't even bat an eyelash with those sorts of workloads. The same goes for anything that requires number crunching and compute-based tasks.

To put it simply, AMD did it right with Trinity. Put an i5 laptop and an A10 or A8 laptop next to each other, and try and tell the difference They are both highly responsive and usable platforms. The only way you're going to see a difference without benchmarking the systems is by running a game, and in that case, AMD's platform will perform better.
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The dual core, low-power, super-efficient E-xxx series APU's AMD put into their laptops have left me with a bitter taste in my mouth :/. I do understand these are probably much difference, and perform much better, but it was very frustrating to not be able to complete random tasks without irritating lag or slowdowns. For internet surfing and Hulu Plus, it was great, but Netflix HD took a toll on the low-GHz CPU.
That being said, I'm very impressed with the i5's power in my MBA, so I think even my next desktop upgrade will be to an Intel chipset.

For someone who's been here so long with so many posts, you have a surprising lack of knowledge about modern hardware. Then again, that is probably why you bought a Mac.

The E-series was very low power. You would have had the same exact terrible experience with one of the older Intel Atom processors, which also targets the same segment. I believe even the current Atom processors don't handle HD content very well. The newer E-series have more processing power, but I'm not sure if they can handle HD content.
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The A10 and A8 Trinity chips are very capable platforms. For reference, My old Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Northwood desktop with a 6800 GT 256mb card and 1.5GB DDR RAM got about 11,500 points in 3DMark03. This laptop with INTEGRATED GRAPHICS gets over 21,000 points. Bear in mind that 3DMark03 is a single-threaded program, and the 6800 GT only had support for DX9.0c and SM3.0.
Of course the E-series AMD APU's were slow. They were designed for netbooks and other ULP platforms. The A10 and A8 trinity CPUs are designed for modern workloads and media in laptops. I've had no issue running 1080P content on youtube or HD content on Netflix. The laptop doesn't even bat an eyelash with those sorts of workloads. The same goes for anything that requires number crunching and compute-based tasks.
To put it simply, AMD did it right with Trinity. Put an i5 laptop and an A10 or A8 laptop next to each other, and try and tell the difference They are both highly responsive and usable platforms. The only way you're going to see a difference without benchmarking the systems is by running a game, and in that case, AMD's platform will perform better.

That's good to hear. I was just stating my experience, and I know I posted about a completely different platform in general.
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For someone who's been here so long with so many posts, you have a surprising lack of knowledge about modern hardware. Then again, that is probably why you bought a Mac.
The E-series was very low power. You would have had the same exact terrible experience with one of the older Intel Atom processors, which also targets the same segment. I believe even the current Atom processors don't handle HD content very well. The newer E-series have more processing power, but I'm not sure if they can handle HD content.

You took a shot at me, and then didn't back it up? Alright. I bought a Mac because no other 'Ultrabook' could be had for the same price with the same quality. Good try.

Also, I realize that, and you restated what I even said in the first line...

Anyhow, the E-350 handled HD content fine when hardware acceleration was available. Hulu Plus HD ran like a charm. Netflix, however, uses Silverlight which makes any AMD CPU below about 2GHz crawl, regardless if it was a dual-core, or a single-core CPU. Although Trinity would be the exception here.

Also, before knocking someone next time, try to wrap your mind around the actual intent of my/their post. It was opinion-based, and I stated that I made a bad choice, and I know it. Someone else answered with reason, I know you can too next time thumb.gif.
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Probably not going to happen tonight. I have a busy day tomorrow that I have to get ready for tonight, so any tinkering will probably not happen until late tomorrow at the earliest. The thing that I do like about HP, though, is all I have to do is remove one panel on the back of the laptop, and the Hard drive, memory, and Wi-fi card are all exposed and easily changed out. They definitely got that one right.

Nice to know. Mine just came in today, will do a couple benches hopefully next 2 days.

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That's good to hear. I was just stating my experience, and I know I posted about a completely different platform in general.
You took a shot at me, and then didn't back it up? Alright. I bought a Mac because no other 'Ultrabook' could be had for the same price with the same quality. Good try.
Also, I realize that, and you restated what I even said in the first line...
Anyhow, the E-350 handled HD content fine when hardware acceleration was available. Hulu Plus HD ran like a charm. Netflix, however, uses Silverlight which makes any AMD CPU below about 2GHz crawl, regardless if it was a dual-core, or a single-core CPU. Although Trinity would be the exception here.
Also, before knocking someone next time, try to wrap your mind around the actual intent of my/their post. It was opinion-based, and I stated that I made a bad choice, and I know it. Someone else answered with reason, I know you can too next time thumb.gif.

You basically said you would buy Intel next time solely based on your experienced with a low power AMD chip vs a mid-range Intel chip. That was what I got as the intent of your post, and someone saying like that generally has no clue about hardware. Your post also implied you wouldn't buy one of these Trinity-based sleekbooks because of your experience with the E-series CPU.

Now, if you didn't include that statement at the end about buying an Intel setup for your desktop because of your experience with AMD and Intel laptops, I most likely would not have said that first part, and only said the second part.
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The A10 and A8 Trinity chips are very capable platforms. For reference, My old Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Northwood desktop with a 6800 GT 256mb card and 1.5GB DDR RAM got about 11,500 points in 3DMark03. This laptop with INTEGRATED GRAPHICS gets over 21,000 points. Bear in mind that 3DMark03 is a single-threaded program, and the 6800 GT only had support for DX9.0c and SM3.0.
Of course the E-series AMD APU's were slow. They were designed for netbooks and other ULP platforms. The A10 and A8 trinity CPUs are designed for modern workloads and media in laptops. I've had no issue running 1080P content on youtube or HD content on Netflix. The laptop doesn't even bat an eyelash with those sorts of workloads. The same goes for anything that requires number crunching and compute-based tasks.
To put it simply, AMD did it right with Trinity. Put an i5 laptop and an A10 or A8 laptop next to each other, and try and tell the difference They are both highly responsive and usable platforms. The only way you're going to see a difference without benchmarking the systems is by running a game, and in that case, AMD's platform will perform better.

Or if you do something CPU intensive like scrolling Excel cells, managing 15+ tabs in Chrome, playback an HD video on Youtube, scroll high resolution pictures, or apply a filter to a picture in Photoshop that isn't GPU accelerated the i3/5/7 will win.

It just seems like some AMD users are overstating the usefulness the GPU and the role it plays. "You won't notice a difference between the two, but if you do something that benefits its strengths, then it will win." There are pros/cons to both systems in this price point.

Just don't spend more than $700 for an AMD system as you can get a quad-core Ivy-Bridge CPU and a GT 650M for not much more money.
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