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Would a Flashblock browser plugin help prevent Flash-based exploits? Adblock gets the main Flash elements but some get through.
 
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again, for normal people like you and me, you need not concern yourself with viruses. because other than excersing common sense, you can not do anything about an undetectable virus and no anti-virus can help you.
    
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I always get a chuckle out of the people that don't run A/Vs but "know" everything is fine because they haven't noticed anything.
That's like saying you know your phone isn't tapped because you don't notice anything when you make phone calls. Thaaaat's pretty much the point.
Most malware is written to do its best not to alert the user, else they'll feel inclined to remove it.

I've just posted a response to a similar idea but I must point out the flaw in your reasoning. You may drive without insurance but still know your car hasn't been hit, right? It comes down to knowledge.

So personally I work break fix at a local computer shop, I do everything from upgrading ram to setting up and maintaining the network for local business customers. I do plenty of malware removal, more in depth than just running some scanners, I am doing manual removal as well.

Prior to MSE I ran no AV product. I still ran passive scans, kept an eye on my network traffic, looked for rootkits and the like, never found evidence, not once, of malware of any type. So you can run an OS without AV and know if you are infected or not. Just because you don't know how to do that doesn't mean everyone is incapable as well.
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I am too as I doubt any of them have heard of Black Shades and what it can do and how easily it is to get infected from just downloading a picture.

I am sorry to break this to you but don't think running an AV program makes you safe. I would say at least half of the computers that come into my store with malware were running active AV at the time. An anti-virus suite is NO guarantee that you will stay safe.

I always have to explain that to people who come into the shop and say, "but I had an anti-virus program, I thought that was supposed to protect me."
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A buddy and I decided to try and write a brutal rootkit to see what antiviruses were up to the task. The easiest ones we got by were mcafee symentec and norton. The only two we couldn't get passed no matter how well we changed it around was Kaspersky and Nod32. Everything else we were able to get by.

In my opinion Kaspersky is pretty much the best AV on the market. Bar none.
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don't use Java plugins
use adblock and noscript
block flash
Don't install just anything
use a SIMPLE pdf reader that isn't capable of running exploits

Add Linux and the chance of malware approaches zero.

Hope about Foxit?

Have anything else in mind you like or prefer?
    
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That analogy doesn't even remotely apply.
And actually safe driving DOES prevent all accidents.

Saying safe driving prevents all accidents automatically make everything else you say irrelevant. That could not be further from the truth.

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I've just posted a response to a similar idea but I must point out the flaw in your reasoning. You may drive without insurance but still know your car hasn't been hit, right? It comes down to knowledge.
So personally I work break fix at a local computer shop, I do everything from upgrading ram to setting up and maintaining the network for local business customers. I do plenty of malware removal, more in depth than just running some scanners, I am doing manual removal as well.
Prior to MSE I ran no AV product. I still ran passive scans, kept an eye on my network traffic, looked for rootkits and the like, never found evidence, not once, of malware of any type. So you can run an OS without AV and know if you are infected or not. Just because you don't know how to do that doesn't mean everyone is incapable as well.
I am sorry to break this to you but don't think running an AV program makes you safe. I would say at least half of the computers that come into my store with malware were running active AV at the time. An anti-virus suite is NO guarantee that you will stay safe.
I always have to explain that to people who come into the shop and say, "but I had an anti-virus program, I thought that was supposed to protect me."

"Just because you don't know how to do that doesn't mean everyone is incapable as well." Yay, another one of these guys.

You saying that an AV is no guarantee is true, and safe practices also are no guarantee. Almost nothing is full proof, especially if its main attribute is human perception. It's called layering your defenses. Something that slips past one layer will most likely get caught by the other.

As has been stated, viruses and malware can come from perfectly legitimate websites. Services get compromised all the time. Just because something hasn't happened to you yet doesn't mean it won't. That's a poor logic to use when it comes to securing or protecting anything.

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Hope about Foxit?
Have anything else in mind you like or prefer?

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Thanks for that, and, thoughts on Foxit or is it on the 'not recommended' lists? thinking.gif

I particularly like Foxit, but if it's potential for a threat is increased over that of say another reader I'd prefer another reader. I go through a lot of PDF files each week. frown.gif
    
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I haven't used an antivirus for about 5 years now. I noticed, after some time, that I'd get "viruses" shortly after updating (the various AV's I used in the past,) and shortly after repairing, deleting, or quarantining, I'd start having issues. Never, have I ever had a virus cause damage directly after downloading or executing a file that I've downloaded.
Judging by how often antiviruses mistake normal executables for viruses, and the fact that every single "virus" I've had only did damage after deletion, I'm convinced that most of my problems in the past have come from antiviruses mistakenly deleting critical system files.

Since abandoning AV software, I've never had a single issue with software. Nothing, and I mean nothing, has broken. No missing Windows functions, no driver issues, no codec problems, no strange pop-ups, no nothing.

Personally, I think AV software is for novice users who don't know how to identify a bad download when they see one.
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Thanks for that, and, thoughts on Foxit or is it on the 'not recommended' lists? thinking.gif
I particularly like Foxit, but if it's potential for a threat is increased over that of say another reader I'd prefer another reader. I go through a lot of PDF files each week. frown.gif

I'm not sure of the different between the two from a security standpoint, but Sumatra is famously lightweight and easy to use.
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I always get a chuckle out of the people that don't run A/Vs but "know" everything is fine because they haven't noticed anything.

That's like saying you know your phone isn't tapped because you don't notice anything when you make phone calls. Thaaaat's pretty much the point.

Most malware is written to do its best not to alert the user, else they'll feel inclined to remove it.

This, how would you know there's no problem if you don't have something confirming it? The point of things like keyloggers and RATs is to get information without you knowing.

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That analogy doesn't even remotely apply.
And actually safe driving DOES prevent all accidents.

I could not disagree with this more. I don't understand how you can believe this..
   
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