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7/18/12 at 8:31pm
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Try using Wine (Windows Emulator). I know a lot of people who have used that to play BF3 among many of Windows applications.

WINE - Wine Is Not an Emulator.
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7/18/12 at 9:09pm
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does OPENGL take a bigger performance hit in Linux on AMD or Nvidia?

OpenGL (in my experience, and in many synthetic benchmarks), typically performs BETTER on Linux. Both for ATi and Nvidia, even though ATi's drivers have to work for your particular setup before you can even attempt 3d acceleration with OpenGL.


For example, an OpenGL game may get 75-80FPS on windows for me, but the same game at same graphical settings may get 80-100fps on Linux (through wine - not even native, which says a lot) - a pretty big performance gain. DirectX Games however through wine usually take a small performance/graphics quality hit (i.e. DX11,DX10 games reduced to DX9 only features, and framerates drop 5-10fps, this is obviously a non-native executable and non-supported/existant API)

Yep, WoW often tends to run faster through WINE too; Sins of a Solar Empire does for me but I think that's purely down to Linux utilizing the CPU better than Windows does.
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7/18/12 at 10:02pm
This is why Origin has nothin' on Steam.
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7/19/12 at 2:52pm
Yea but I'm willing to bet the number of people who dual boot isn't much to begin with.

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7/19/12 at 3:04pm
I have a feeling this move will possibly get better drivers developed on Linux, and this in turn will create a positive feedback loop on Linux gamers. I personally have had the worse experience ever with AMD drivers for my 6950. I spent at least 6 hours trying countless hacks to get the drivers installed/working properly. Once I finally got them working I moved onto upgrading the kernel to fix a few issues with relatively new hardware, and well I had to spend another hour doing a work around for AMD's lack of support for the new kernel. Now that it's working it seems to be fine although I do have graphical issues with a few 3D elements on the desktop manager... I honestly hope Steam brings in better drivers from AMD and Nvidia... That's what I see the most out of this venture from Valve.
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7/19/12 at 3:09pm
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Yea but I'm willing to bet the number of people who dual boot isn't much to begin with.
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Sigh...you bumped just to nay say because what...you don't like Gnu/Linux? So then you're fine with MS saying "we don't see any problem with Metro because the vast majority of our users won't care and the number of people that do isn't much to begin with."? This is not an attack but an attempt at bringing the issue from something probably "distant/doesn't affect me" from people to something they can actually relate to. Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
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/cut I honestly hope Steam brings in better drivers from AMD and Nvidia... That's what I see the most out of this venture from Valve.

It can happen but it probably won't be that fast or direct since Valve doesn't own AMD and Nvidia. It's up to them to decide but a good threat of lost sales if they don't always is worth a try. thumb.gif
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7/19/12 at 3:19pm
Steam + TF2 on Linux? That will be enough for me to give Linux an honest shot.
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7/19/12 at 4:18pm
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WINE - Wine Is Not an Emulator.
This argument is old as dirt.

It is not an emulator, as in it is not an intrusive program (virtual machine). But it emulates windows APIs.

It emulates, but is not an emulator.
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The name Wine initially was an acronym for WINdows Emulator.[6] Its meaning later shifted to the recursive backronym, Wine Is Not an Emulator in order to differentiate the software from other emulators.
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7/19/12 at 4:23pm
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This argument is old as dirt.
It is not an emulator, as in it is not an intrusive program (virtual machine). But it emulates windows APIs.
It emulates, but is not an emulator.

Direct from Wine.

http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c9e6502ad636315e905d07f7e44594757a6738e3
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1.3. Is Wine an emulator? There seems to be disagreement.

There is a lot of confusion about this, particularly caused by people getting Wine's name wrong and calling it WINdows Emulator.

When users think of an emulator, they tend to think of things like game console emulators or virtualization software. However, Wine is a compatibility layer - it runs Windows applications in much the same way Windows does. There is no inherent loss of speed due to "emulation" when using Wine, nor is there a need to open Wine before running your application.

That said, Wine can be thought of as a Windows emulator in much the same way that Windows Vista can be thought of as a Windows XP emulator: both allow you to run the same applications by translating system calls in much the same way. Setting Wine to mimic Windows XP is not much different from setting Vista to launch an application in XP compatibility mode.

A few things make Wine more than just an emulator:

Sections of Wine can be used on Windows. Some virtual machines use Wine's OpenGL-based implementation of Direct3D on Windows rather than truly emulate 3D hardware.
Winelib can be used for porting Windows application source code to other operating systems that Wine supports to run on any processor, even processors that Windows itself does not support.

"Wine is not just an emulator" is more accurate. Thinking of Wine as just an emulator is really forgetting about the other things it is. Wine's "emulator" is really just a binary
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7/19/12 at 5:31pm
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Direct from Wine.
http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c9e6502ad636315e905d07f7e44594757a6738e3
I guess that more accurately explains what I said.
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